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McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

Maybe a manager gets that just asked my McD's by my work the average worker get 8.50 this came from the manager. So lets stop with the 15 hr. stuff

All of the news reports show clearly that they were indeed protesting for $15 per hour. Amazing how 24 hours removed from the actual raw footage brings in the rewrite of facts by progressive liberal supporters of this insane demand.
 
Food is a lost leader at McDonalds. They make all of their profit from sodas. A large soda, with syrup, ice, water and cup lid and straw probably costs them a quarter and they sell it for a buck and a half or so. When Burger King ran their Whopper jr special for a dollar, lots of franchisees companied that the burger cost them a dollar ten to make. Wiki answers says the average profit margin for a McDonald's franchise is 10%. I'm going to assume that's net profit.

The Huffington Post has this to say about increasing the wage of fast food workers.



And this:



Errors in McDonald's Wage Analysis

While I understand seven bucks an hour is tough to live on, an increase in wages of this magnitude would certainly decrease volume at these fast food stores. Decreasing volume means fewer jobs because restaurants have to balance labor against gross volume to stay in business. In some cases decreased volume would mean store closings and further loss of volume.

Everyone who works needs to understand that their jobs are dependent on the health of the business they work for. Their ability to earn money is directly related to the value of the production they do. The value of the production they do is directly related to the complexity of the tasks they perform. Brain surgeons make more than line cooks. That's just the way the world works.

Fast food work is intended to be entry level employment. You can be trained for your job in an afternoon. It's also supposed to be a bridge to better employment as entry level workers build a resume that indicates they are dependable and responsible workers.

Here's the real problem. We've lost millions of good paying jobs to recession and the ability of the internet to move technology overseas. We've lost jobs due to increased labor costs and a regulatory culture that has crept into Washington. Many of the jobs we've created in the Obama years are McJobs and now there is a disproportionate number of employees flipping burgers. Coupled with increasing numbers of part time jobs due to Obamacare, many fast food workers have no where to go to better themselves other than school and jobs training programs.

It's a tough world right now, made tougher by a government that seems to be intent on making poverty comfortable rather than entrepreneurism easier. I started my first company in the seventies. It was hard work but it's one hell of a lot harder now. I understand the problems faced by employer and employee. I also understand that an employees earning ability isn't based on need. It's based on their ability to turn their time into profit for the company. If there is no profit, there is no company and there is no job. It's as simple as that.

Rant over.

Yep, job creation as of late has been, well, terrible.
 
Maybe a manager gets that just asked my McD's by my work the average worker get 8.50 this came from the manager. So lets stop with the 15 hr. stuff

That's what they're striking for.
 
I wonder if the workers realize that they would probably put many of themselves out of a job. I mean fast food working adults are pretty much the bottom of the labor barrel however if you double the salary these businesses are going to start getting applicants of a little higher quality applying for the jobs.
 
The problem with this "solution", making the bottom 3% of wage earners get more than double their current pay, is that simply mandating U.S. wage inflation will change nothing for the better. The U.S. annual median wage fell to $26,364 in 2010, so increasing the lowest full-time (minimum) wage from $15K to $31K is obviously not going to happen without a serious ripple effect.

Assuming that U.S. wage parity is maintained, all that accomplishes is inflation, since every U.S. wage will then increase as must prices of U.S. goods/services to match those increased labor costs. This makes imports even more desirable to U.S. comsumers, U.S. exports more costly on the world market and the U.S. employer is forced to try to reduce their labor costs even further.

U.S. Median Annual Wage Falls To $26,364 As Pessimism Reaches 10-Year High [CORRECTION]

Good morning, ttwtt78640. :2wave:

Just when you think you've heard it all!?! So the workers at McDonalds in New York want their minimum wage doubled to $15 per hour! Why do they think they're worth that? Experienced 30-year carpenters have seen their wages fall to $15 to $18 per hour since the housing/remodeling bust of a few years ago.

I like McDonalds breakfasts occasionally when I'm strapped for time, but I'm not going to pay $8 dollars for a sausage McMuffin with egg! There will be layoffs since there won't be the traffic there used to be, so this is a win? IT WON'T FLY HERE IN NE Ohio, IMO! :cuckoo:
 
Minimum wage workers we all despise so much? Where the hell do you get your perspective? What makes you think "right-wingers" despise minimum wage workers? Get a clue dip****, a lot of us started off in those jobs until we gained the skills to move up. Just because there are people who do not improve their position in life does not mean they deserve $15 to do a $7 an hour job. It is no surprise to those of us who understand business that those pushing for doubling their pay can't understand the dynamics, that's why they make minimum wage.

Comical isn't it. Most every "right winger" has put more than their fair of time in along the minimum wage scale. We're the ones not standing in the welfare line, and we worked and scrapped our way out of those ranks.

Liberals don't understand money. It's not a "reward" for work. It's a measurement of value; it indicates how rare or unique something is. That's why a diamond costs more than a regular rock. That's why a brain surgeon makes more than a salesman, unless that salesman can outsell 10 other salespeople.

A third grader could work at McDonalds. Literally.
 
Good morning, ttwtt78640. :2wave:

Just when you think you've heard it all!?! So the workers at McDonalds in New York want their minimum wage doubled to $15 per hour! Why do they think they're worth that? Experienced 30-year carpenters have seen their wages fall to $15 to $18 per hour since the housing/remodeling bust of a few years ago.

I like McDonalds breakfasts occasionally when I'm strapped for time, but I'm not going to pay $8 dollars for a sausage McMuffin with egg! There will be layoffs since there won't be the traffic there used to be, so this is a win? IT WON'T FLY HERE IN NE Ohio, IMO! :cuckoo:

The fix is easy. Go back to hiring students and teenagers part-time, raise the hourly a buck or two, and save on the benefits.

Just nix the full-time employees altogether, other than a manager and an assistant.

That's the Obama way to lower the unemployment rate anyway.
 
:lamo

People are actually presenting the argument that fast food workers should be unionized and payed $15 an hour....
 
The NEW America: Don't try to better yourself. Don't try to learn a skill you can market yourself. Don't try to extend your education so you will guarantee a better income.
Why $15.00? Why not $15.31? Where did $15 come from? Who started this "Million Losers March"? Even unions bring some form of justification to the bargaining table. This mob wants Mo' Money because it better than less money. These welfare scums of the future made the decision long ago to not do a damn thing with their lives and now they are saying "pay for us". What are their plans to do with this money? Buy a better grade of crack?!
 
Missing variable: worker productivity. We should factor this in, yes?

Excellent point!!

When confronted with an issue like this the employer will usually look to whatever solution gives them the most productivity for their labor dollar. More and more often that dollar is being spent on automation and if you don't believe that the fast food business will become fully automated you are mistaken.
 
Excellent point!!

When confronted with an issue like this the employer will usually look to whatever solution gives them the most productivity for their labor dollar. More and more often that dollar is being spent on automation and if you don't believe that the fast food business will become fully automated you are mistaken.

Outstanding Luther....I was just about to type something similar....:lol:
 
Years ago I worked with a guy at a dealership who changed oil. That is all he did, oil changes. He tried to get a pay increase to the same level that those of us who were highly trained technicians made because he had 15 years experience changing oil. My service manager (who is extremely liberal and still a good friend of mine years after we both left the dealership) told him that wasn't going to happen and explained it very well in a way that certainly applies to this argument.

"Billy, there is no such thing as 15 years experience changing oil. What you have is 6 months of experience 30 times. The job is just not that complicated. If you want to make what these guys do learn to do what they do."

I owned a manufacturing company and I had a guy working for me who kept the shop floor swept. Nice guy, paid him ten or eleven bucks an hour, don't remember how much exactly. One day he came to me and said he needed more money because was having a hard time paying his bills. I had to tell him that I was sorry, "your ability to earn money isn't predicated on your ability to spend it." He had a choice. Quit going to the bar every night or learn a skill other than sweeping.
 
Excellent point!!

When confronted with an issue like this the employer will usually look to whatever solution gives them the most productivity for their labor dollar. More and more often that dollar is being spent on automation and if you don't believe that the fast food business will become fully automated you are mistaken.

Yup.

Many of these fast food chains are a strike away from touch screen ordering and an automated cash register.

It doesn't matter how low wages are when your workforce is on strike.
 
The fix is easy. Go back to hiring students and teenagers part-time, raise the hourly a buck or two, and save on the benefits.

Just nix the full-time employees altogether, other than a manager and an assistant.

That's the Obama way to lower the unemployment rate anyway.

Good afternoon, erod. :2wave:

:agree: Good points made! :thumbs:
 
Oh please continue to strike and demand double the wages when you're barely worth what you earn now.

The fats foid workers demanding double pay is indicative of a economy thats been run by a incompetent Liberal.

Fast food jobs and part time work is all thats available.
 
Minimum wage workers we all despise so much? Where the hell do you get your perspective? What makes you think "right-wingers" despise minimum wage workers? Get a clue dip****, a lot of us started off in those jobs until we gained the skills to move up. Just because there are people who do not improve their position in life does not mean they deserve $15 to do a $7 an hour job. It is no surprise to those of us who understand business that those pushing for doubling their pay can't understand the dynamics, that's why they make minimum wage.

¨Just because there are people who do not improve their position in life does not mean they deserve $15 to do a $7 an hour job.¨

Those people have been called lazy, stupid and losers in many right wing posts on this subject. When it is pointed out that they may have circumstances that prevent them from improving their situation (such as having dependents, limited English, criminal record etc.) the reply is that they deserve their lowly fate for life because of their youthful mistakes. It is also considered ethical by right wingers to pay such a low wage that the workers can not afford basic food, shelter and clothing. That is spite and exploitation.
 
¨Just because there are people who do not improve their position in life does not mean they deserve $15 to do a $7 an hour job.¨

Those people have been called lazy, stupid and losers in many right wing posts on this subject. When it is pointed out that they may have circumstances that prevent them from improving their situation (such as having dependents, limited English, criminal record etc.) the reply is that they deserve their lowly fate for life because of their youthful mistakes. It is also considered ethical by right wingers to pay such a low wage that the workers can not afford basic food, shelter and clothing. That is spite and exploitation.

Why is the business owner responsible for their bad choices in life? There are plenty of ways to get out of an entry level job....

It takes effort on your part.
 
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because there are people who do not


improve their position in life does not mean they deserve $15 to do a $7 an hour job.¨

Those people have been called lazy, stupid and losers in many right wing posts on this subject. When it is pointed out that they may have circumstances that prevent them from improving their situation (such as having dependents, limited English, criminal record etc.) the reply is that they deserve their lowly fate for life because of their youthful mistakes. It is also considered ethical by right wingers to pay such a low wage that the workers can not afford basic food, shelter and clothing. That is spite and exploitation.

When is your side going to grasp the concept of personal responsibillity ?

And IF a person has "dependents" or a criminal record, then who's fault is that and what makes you think a arbitrary wage increase is going to improve their situation ?

Most people who are restricted to working a 7 dollar an hour wage have only themselves to blame, and usually don't possess the base intelligence or self control to budget their expenses.

15 wont be enough for them, 21 wont be enough for them because they lack the fundamental knowledge and education to live within their means.

THEN those people have children and pass down that same irresponsible thought process that got them stuck in a 7 dollar an hour job in the first place.
 
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¨Just because there are people who do not improve their position in life does not mean they deserve $15 to do a $7 an hour job.¨

Those people have been called lazy, stupid and losers in many right wing posts on this subject. When it is pointed out that they may have circumstances that prevent them from improving their situation (such as having dependents, limited English, criminal record etc.) the reply is that they deserve their lowly fate for life because of their youthful mistakes. It is also considered ethical by right wingers to pay such a low wage that the workers can not afford basic food, shelter and clothing. That is spite and exploitation.

So the tiny percetage of workers who fit your description should be sufficient to set a national MW of $15/hr?

I think a new meme is required to gain any sliver of credibility here.
 
¨Just because there are people who do not improve their position in life does not mean they deserve $15 to do a $7 an hour job.¨

Those people have been called lazy, stupid and losers in many right wing posts on this subject. When it is pointed out that they may have circumstances that prevent them from improving their situation (such as having dependents, limited English, criminal record etc.) the reply is that they deserve their lowly fate for life because of their youthful mistakes. It is also considered ethical by right wingers to pay such a low wage that the workers can not afford basic food, shelter and clothing. That is spite and exploitation.

I see. So even though I have said none of those things because I am a conservative you assume that is what I think? You are missing an important point. Wages are not based on what people "deserve", they are based on market principles and productivity. I own a business, I guarantee I did not start it in order to provide living wages. Businesses exist to make a profit, and labor is one of the expenses. It does not matter if the guy sweeping the floor is a high school kid or a 40 year old immigrant with 10 children, the value of the job is the same. As luck would have it we are all free to pursue any career field we want to and are free to advance as far as possible based on what we are capable of producing. Any one of these minimum wage earners is free to start their own business if they prefer. It takes a lot of hard work though. Maybe that's why they prefer to strike for $15 an hour for low skilled work rather than strike out on their own.
 
Good morning, ttwtt78640. :2wave:

Just when you think you've heard it all!?! So the workers at McDonalds in New York want their minimum wage doubled to $15 per hour! Why do they think they're worth that? Experienced 30-year carpenters have seen their wages fall to $15 to $18 per hour since the housing/remodeling bust of a few years ago.

I like McDonalds breakfasts occasionally when I'm strapped for time, but I'm not going to pay $8 dollars for a sausage McMuffin with egg! There will be layoffs since there won't be the traffic there used to be, so this is a win? IT WON'T FLY HERE IN NE Ohio, IMO! :cuckoo:

Here is a though go try to servive on minimum wage in New York for a week and see how far that gets you maybe a couple of cab rides. So the right complains about people being on welfare, then they gripe when they do have a job and want a raise while the profits of these companies are in the 100 million range. GOP new slogan should be: Keep them poor, Get them sick, let them die quickly.
 
Nobody is talking about the domino effect raising Fast Food workers wages to 15 an hour. This will cause the semi skilled worker that makes 15 an hour to demand a raise because why should he work at 15 an hour for his semi skilled job when he can flip burger for the same amount. so he gets a raise to 20 an hour then the skilled worker demands a raise because why should he be making the same as that semi skilled worker does, and so on and so forth. up the wage ladder it goes as the price for everything they produce is increased to cover the higher employment cost across the board

so it isn't just the fast food workers wages that will be increased. the shift manager will demand more, the store manager will demand more, the truck driver that delivers those burgers and fries will demand, more the warehouse worker where the keep those burgers and fries will demand more, and so on

so what is the point of getting a 50% raise when everything will cost 50% more
 
Here is a though go try to servive on minimum wage in New York for a week and see how far that gets you maybe a couple of cab rides. So the right complains about people being on welfare, then they gripe when they do have a job and want a raise while the profits of these companies are in the 100 million range. GOP new slogan should be: Keep them poor, Get them sick, let them die quickly.

if your only option is to work fast food to support your self or your family then the problem is with you not fast food wages

those jobs are not so some one can make a living they are for the high school and college student for some extra spending money or to help with school supplies not to support a family
 
Here is a though go try to servive on minimum wage in New York for a week and see how far that gets you maybe a couple of cab rides. So the right complains about people being on welfare, then they gripe when they do have a job and want a raise while the profits of these companies are in the 100 million range. GOP new slogan should be: Keep them poor, Get them sick, let them die quickly.

You know, dang, but apparently the memo from the Progressive Machine hasn't reached everyone. The old "poor, sick, die" meme is way old.

Question, what is a person doing trying to live in New York City on a minimum wage job? Should "Franchisee" be something covered in central committee planning meetings?

I'm thinking cliche's have probably been addressed in other memo's from the Progressive Machine.
 
Here is a though go try to servive on minimum wage in New York for a week and see how far that gets you maybe a couple of cab rides. So the right complains about people being on welfare, then they gripe when they do have a job and want a raise while the profits of these companies are in the 100 million range. GOP new slogan should be: Keep them poor, Get them sick, let them die quickly.


Is your personal greed standing in the way of positive employment advancement?
 
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