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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    And then they will demand more money, because 15 dollars an hour is no longer a " livable wage".
    Ant the thugs running the labor union are smiling since their percentage is getting higher and higher.....
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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I gave this post a "like" simply becuse you tried to show that "overpaying" workers can be done if you run a very efficient opperation, as you are still able to be competitive.

    Saying that the "average" pay of American Apparel is 12$/hour is not saying that they pay their unskilled workers that as a starting rate, or that $12/hour is their minimum pay rate. That sounds like a lot when compared to $8.00/hr (CA minimum wage) but that is only $0.25/hour more than what Walmart, the favorite whipping boy of the retail industry, pays on average.



    Read more: Walmart Employs 1% Of America. Should It Be Forced To Pay Its Employees More? - Business Insider
    Yeah, but this guy (Dov Charney) isn't competing with people paying a quarter an hour less, he's competing with people who pay a quarter an hour. He's operating in LA, paying American wages, rent, taxes, etc. and competing against companies operating in Bangladesh. And making money doing it. How is that possible when an increase in the minimum wage in the US would bring down a whole industry?
    He beats a drum about world-wide employment ethics- his point is, if you're not paying people in third-world countries a buck an hour, you're stealing from the world's poorest people. Hard to disagree with that one.

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Yeah, but this guy (Dov Charney) isn't competing with people paying a quarter an hour less, he's competing with people who pay a quarter an hour. He's operating in LA, paying American wages, rent, taxes, etc. and competing against companies operating in Bangladesh. And making money doing it. How is that possible when an increase in the minimum wage in the US would bring down a whole industry?
    He beats a drum about world-wide employment ethics- his point is, if you're not paying people in third-world countries a buck an hour, you're stealing from the world's poorest people. Hard to disagree with that one.
    Because, unlike the garment industry, the fast food industry, like many others, is competing only inside the U.S. so unless they reduce costs in other areas, as American Apparel did, then they must raise prices to raise wages, which will negatively affect their market share. You look at McDonalds as a huge corporation yet he vast number of it's employees work for local franchises, so unlike Walmart (or American Apparel) they have little control over how their stores are operated - they do not make the food they only prepare and sell it.

    American Apparel is not competing with Bangladesh except in initial garment production they are competing with other clothing retailers that do not all have wholey owned dedicated producers and designers and must give their producers, desgners, shippers, wholesalers and distributors their cuts of the action. Did you even read your own link to see where American Apparel "system" gets the savings to allow these "high" production wages to be paid?
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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Outstanding Luther....I was just about to type something similar....
    Yep, just short sightedness from the left. When it becomes cheaper to automate than to hire a person, hello automation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    This thread highlights the liberal doctrine of economics.

    If you don't have enough money, then just print some more money so you have more money.

    Hey, let's print a whole bunch of money, then we can all drive brand new Cadillacs!
    Lol considering Republicans are responcible for 70% of the national debt yeah it was Dems spending all the money under Regan, Bush1 and Bush2. Please stop with the conservative anti everything talking points. Americans have caught on to the whole lets drape oursleves in the flag and call ourselves patriots and do the direct opposite! That is why you guys cant find anyone decent enough to run. They get laughed at.

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    I haven't read the entire thread, so pardon me if this has been brought up, but all this looks like to me is a bunch of fast food workers who are butthurt because they are not making the same wages that college graduates are. Maybe if they wanted a $15 an hour paycheck, they should have stayed in school, and even went on to college. A college degree, of course, does not guarantee a good paycheck, and in this economy it doesn't even guarantee a paycheck but it's a heck of a lot better than dropping out of high school and flipping burgers for a living.
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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    Lol considering Republicans are responcible for 70% of the national debt yeah it was Dems spending all the money under Regan, Bush1 and Bush2. Please stop with the conservative anti everything talking points. Americans have caught on to the whole lets drape oursleves in the flag and call ourselves patriots and do the direct opposite! That is why you guys cant find anyone decent enough to run. They get laughed at.
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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    This thread highlights the liberal doctrine of economics.

    If you don't have enough money, then just print some more money so you have more money.

    Hey, let's print a whole bunch of money, then we can all drive brand new Cadillacs!
    Hell, as long as we can just print money, why do we even need to pay taxes?
    National debt 17 trillion?
    No problem just have the fed crank out 17 trill..problem solved.

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Because, unlike the garment industry, the fast food industry, like many others, is competing only inside the U.S. so unless they reduce costs in other areas, as American Apparel did, then they must raise prices to raise wages, which will negatively affect their market share. You look at McDonalds as a huge corporation yet he vast number of it's employees work for local franchises, so unlike Walmart (or American Apparel) they have little control over how their stores are operated - they do not make the food they only prepare and sell it.
    It's certainly true that American Apparel competes world-wide. Imagine them selling Made in the USA clothing in Mexico, Brasil and Korea?
    There's not much difference in the steps necessary to push a burger over the counter at a MickeyD's and the steps leading to a tee-shirt put into a shopping bag in an American Apparel store. The examples aren't apples and oranges.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    American Apparel is not competing with Bangladesh except in initial garment production they are competing with other clothing retailers that do not all have wholey owned dedicated producers and designers and must give their producers, desgners, shippers, wholesalers and distributors their cuts of the action. Did you even read your own link to see where American Apparel "system" gets the savings to allow these "high" production wages to be paid?
    I guess, bottom line, it's the workers at American Apparel who're competing with Bangladesh, not the company per se. And it's a mistake to say that the fact of overseas production is a liability for companies like Nike, Joe Fresh, Benetton, etc. They're not operating in Sri Lanka and Bangladesh for humanitarian reasons.
    We'll probably just have to agree to disagree on this.

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    I dunno, $15 to flip burgers and wear a headset seems pretty sweet, but let's not forget that if they get that, then people who actually do hard labor like masonry work, or anything of that nature surely would deserve much more than that, right? I worked as a bricklayers helper in the 80's got paid $6 an hour. Hardest job I've ever done. The going rate for an entry level laborer is about $12 to $15 as we speak. Think if McDonalds was suddenly paying the same, I suspect not many building would get built, or bridges spanned.

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