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    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Comical isn't it. Most every "right winger" has put more than their fair of time in along the minimum wage scale. We're the ones not standing in the welfare line, and we worked and scrapped our way out of those ranks.

    Liberals don't understand money. It's not a "reward" for work. It's a measurement of value; it indicates how rare or unique something is. That's why a diamond costs more than a regular rock. That's why a brain surgeon makes more than a salesman, unless that salesman can outsell 10 other salespeople.

    A third grader could work at McDonalds. Literally.
    Maybe with a step-stool.

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    $15 per hour also will bring more automation and more central-location prepared foods, meaning fewer jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    When is your side going to grasp the concept of personal responsibillity ?

    And IF a person has "dependents" or a criminal record, then who's fault is that and what makes you think a arbitrary wage increase is going to improve their situation ?

    Most people who are restricted to working a 7 dollar an hour wage have only themselves to blame, and usually don't possess the base intelligence or self control to budget their expenses.

    15 wont be enough for them, 21 wont be enough for them because they lack the fundamental knowledge and education to live within their means.

    THEN those people have children and pass down that same irresponsible thought process that got them stuck in a 7 dollar an hour job in the first place.
    YOu forgot willingness.

    A lot of them don't want to do asnything else. They put intheir time and collect their check.

    NOw they see they can get doublé the money for the same work and they are all over that, but for them to actually put out an effort, forget it.

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    $15 per hour also will bring more automation and more central-location prepared foods, meaning fewer jobs.
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    No, I do not agree to raise minimum wage to $15 per hour, but NO I do not agree with trivializing people who work in the fast food industry or any other low paying hourly jobs. The reason most at such jobs wish they had different jobs isn't just for more money. It's because it's hard, monotamous work with virtually not change and no change of advancement.

    Not everyone can be high paid hands-off management, lawyers/doctors/accountants/bankers, soldiers and politicians. our society also needs people who actually do labor. Those who claim the solution to everything is everyone getting an MBA or PhD are just wrong. Besides, some people with PhDs can't even get a job at McDonalds being "over qualified." Most people probably have a better career chance at becoming a McDonald's manager than someone with a bachelor's degree in most areas trying to get a job in their field.

    I admire people who work with their hands and particularly feel for people stuck on assembly lines and hot, sweaty jobs. Without those "people at the bottom" as many like to call them there would be no one in the middle or at the top. Society would collapse without the "salt of the earth" workers. And I can understand their wanting more. Most are probably worth it. Mandating it is another thing.

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    This thread highlights the liberal doctrine of economics.

    If you don't have enough money, then just print some more money so you have more money.

    Hey, let's print a whole bunch of money, then we can all drive brand new Cadillacs!
    I do believe the hot new car is Mercedes not Cadillac.

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by douglas View Post
    Yeah.....no. There aren't "plenty of ways" to get out of these jobs. Upward mobility is essentially zero now; you can have a college degree, work training, the best work ethic around, and super-ability to do your job, and you'll still be lucky to just keep your minimum wage job. When nobody's hiring, there is always a downwards push to inflation adjusted wages, because employers can afford to take advantage of you; you're replaceable. As long as a good employee is replaceable, there will never be a true opportunity for upward mobility.
    So who says you have to stay in that industry? Or that job in particular? Let's take the example of the 23 year old that comes out of college with a degree, and can't find a job in his field...So, he moves in with mom and dad, gets the job at McD's and ponders how life sucks. OR, he moves to where he can get a job he needs, or he can go into a different direction. But, your attitude here sounds more defeatist than can do....

    "then they have to get a different job"? What jobs? There are no jobs. I walked down my street the other night and saw about a dozen shops going out of business or already boarded up. McJobs are what's left, and we're fighting to make them better. Oh, I can't say for greengirl, but I voted Romney; I'm stuck with Obama either way, and I'm trying to make the best of it.

    I spent 4 years of my life trying to better myself, I got the degree and the certificates and the internships and the work experience , etc. And...McJobs as far as the eye can see. My last minimum wage job took 2 months of communication, 3 interviews, and I still had to wait to be their second pick. It's ridiculous out there.
    Well, I don't know what your particular degree is in, but maybe it is the area you live, or the degree you have is not in demand there....Would you move?
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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I admire people who work with their hands and particularly feel for people stuck on assembly lines and hot, sweaty jobs. Without those "people at the bottom" as many like to call them there would be no one in the middle or at the top. Society would collapse without the "salt of the earth" workers. And I can understand their wanting more. Most are probably worth it. Mandating it is another thing.
    Do you admire them from a distance or are you there working with them?
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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Look into a company called American Apparel and it's owner, Dov Charney.
    American Apparel | Fashionable Basics. Sweatshop Free. Made in USA.
    American Apparel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    They make clothing in LA and pay over $30,000/year, compared to about $600 their competitors pay workers in Bangladesh. Management greed and incompetence is easily justified sometimes.

    I gave this post a "like" simply becuse you tried to show that "overpaying" workers can be done if you run a very efficient opperation, as you are still able to be competitive.

    Saying that the "average" pay of American Apparel is 12$/hour is not saying that they pay their unskilled workers that as a starting rate, or that $12/hour is their minimum pay rate. That sounds like a lot when compared to $8.00/hr (CA minimum wage) but that is only $0.25/hour more than what Walmart, the favorite whipping boy of the retail industry, pays on average.

    The average Walmart "associate," Wake Up Walmart reports, makes $11.75 an hour. That's $20,744 per year. Those wages are slightly below the national average for retail employees, which is $12.04 an hour.
    Read more: Walmart Employs 1% Of America. Should It Be Forced To Pay Its Employees More? - Business Insider

    EDIT: The bolded above is based on what? I found this in your 2nd link:

    American Apparel has decided not to outsource its labor, paying factory workers an average of over twelve dollars an hour and often more than $100 a day.
    Over $30K/year is over $14.40/hour and I didn't see evidence of that in your links.
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