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    Re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    False.

    Well, that is a real deeeeeeeerrrrrr statement, this is a debate forum, not a dating site.

    hey, i just stating what i see from you........you profess you are right.......ok...your free to feel that way.

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    Re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    hey, i just stating what i see from you........you profess you are right.......ok...your free to feel that way.
    Another deeeeeeerrrrrrrr moment, you profess your views are correct too.

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    Re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    A little info:

    Mr. Williams distinguished himself in the mid-1970s through his research on the effects of the Davis-Bacon Act of 1931—which got the government involved in setting wage levels—and on the impact of minimum-wage law on youth and minority unemployment. He concluded that minimum wages caused high rates of teenage unemployment, particularly among minority teenagers. His research also showed that Davis-Bacon, which requires high prevailing (read: union) wages on federally financed or assisted construction projects, was the product of lawmakers with explicitly racist motivations.

    One of Congress's goals at the time was to stop black laborers from displacing whites by working for less money. Missouri Rep. John Cochran said that he had "received numerous complaints in recent months about Southern contractors employing low-paid colored mechanics." And Alabama Rep. Clayton Allgood fretted about contractors with "cheap colored labor . . . of the sort that is in competition with white labor throughout the country."

    Today just 17% of construction workers are unionized, but Democratic politicians, in deference to the AFL-CIO, have kept Davis-Bacon in place to protect them. Because most black construction workers aren't union members, however, the law has the effect of freezing them out of jobs. It also serves to significantly increase the costs of government projects, since there are fewer contractors to bid on them than there would be without Davis-Bacon.
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    Re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by keith View Post
    A little info:
    emphasis on the "little"

    Mr. Williams distinguished himself in the mid-1970s through his research on the effects of the Davis-Bacon Act of 1931—which got the government involved in setting wage levels—and on the impact of minimum-wage law on youth and minority unemployment. He concluded that minimum wages caused high rates of teenage unemployment, particularly among minority teenagers. His research also showed that Davis-Bacon, which requires high prevailing (read: union) wages on federally financed or assisted construction projects, was the product of lawmakers with explicitly racist motivations.
    when davis-bacon imposes a higher that average "prevailing" (yes, it does mean union) wage rate, do you really think a teenager is going to have an edge over a more experienced worker?

    you would have us believe that the south, with the nation's lowest rate of unionization, would politically embrace a program which was beneficial to unions. absurd ... to anyone who chooses to ponder it for more than five seconds. crack a book and find out where and when there was significant labor-management hostility, and compare those dates and times to the foolishness you have presented above

    One of Congress's goals at the time was to stop black laborers from displacing whites by working for less money. Missouri Rep. John Cochran said that he had "received numerous complaints in recent months about Southern contractors employing low-paid colored mechanics." And Alabama Rep. Clayton Allgood fretted about contractors with "cheap colored labor . . . of the sort that is in competition with white labor throughout the country."
    how is this any different from today's environment where low wage employees have their wage rates depressed only because illegal workers are allowed to displace them on the job
    in my state, the republican dominated state government is attempting to ease restrictions on employers who hire illegals

    how is your presentation different than the argument that china is displacing our better paying manufacturing jobs with their low-wage labor force?


    Today just 17% of construction workers are unionized, but Democratic politicians, in deference to the AFL-CIO, have kept Davis-Bacon in place to protect them. Because most black construction workers aren't union members, ...
    by your own post we see that most WHITE construction workers are not unionized
    you pretend to make a point when you do not

    ... however, the law has the effect of freezing them [black construction workers] out of jobs.
    notably, davis-bacon was passed in the depression [1932]
    that date/era is significant because it predated equal rights legislation for blacks by 30+ years
    in 1932 EVERTHING served to freeze blacks out of good jobs. DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    on on a federal work site today who thinks the department of labor would tolerate any inkling of racial employment discrimination at federally funded construction projects these days?
    only a white hooded conspiracy theorist would accept that such discrimination is remotely possible at the federal workplace today

    It also serves to significantly increase the costs of government projects, ...
    yes it does. if tuse it predated iscriminatiany inkling of racial employment duse it predated i am paying my construction workers $20 per hour and no benefits on civilian projects, and the "prevailing"/union rate is $25 per hour with medical and vacation benefits, how would that contractor be able to bring in a federal project at civilian work rates? so, you finally got something right in your post


    ... since there are fewer contractors to bid on them than there would be without Davis-Bacon.
    unfortunately, you got this wrong. VERY wrong
    EVERY contractor must bid at least the "prevailing" rate for each labor category. effectively, every bidder knows the minimum rates that each other project bidder is forced to bid under davis-bacon
    that gives each bidder information they do not have when pricing civilian construction projects
    there is NOTHING about davis-bacon which excludes ANY prospective contractor from bidding
    davis-bacon does NOTHING to diminish the pool of contractors


    it is admittedly a nuanced outcome, but davis-bacon actually enhances innovation in the construction sector
    since ever potential project awardee must pay the same wage rate - or higher, at their discretion - the winning bidder is often the one who figures out how to accomplish the statement of work with the fewest labor hours billed
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    Re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    This is what I call a "reveal". This is a moment when the left wants something so badly to be true, that they are able to convince themselves that it is, even when it is so obviously not. Now, the left does this all the time, but it is rare to get something like this, where they cannot throw misleading charts and statistics at you for cover. You have achieved 1984, 2+2=5.
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    Re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    Neocons: Working hard to bring back slavery, get Jesus put on the money and in the schools, and force women to have the babies of their rapists. Next up: stone age revisited.
    You are just diggin' that hole deeper and deeper. I mean, do you really think that got you any credibility back?
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    Re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    Lol considering Republicans are responcible for 70% of the national debt yeah it was Dems spending all the money under Regan, Bush1 and Bush2. Please stop with the conservative anti everything talking points. Americans have caught on to the whole lets drape oursleves in the flag and call ourselves patriots and do the direct opposite! That is why you guys cant find anyone decent enough to run. They get laughed at.
    LOL, okay, I'm just going to pat you on your little head and tell you to run along now. Open up a book or something.

    Unfortunately, there's so many of you now, you actually win elections. You're just putting a gun to your own head and slowly pulling the trigger. By the time the light bulb goes on for you, you'll hear a bang, and it'll be too late.

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    Re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Can a current business owner please respond to this.

    If the employees pay is raised to $15.00 per hour, how much more does the business have to pay out in payroll taxes and other taxes for that employee at that level.

    Thanks in advance.

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    Re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    You are just diggin' that hole deeper and deeper. I mean, do you really think that got you any credibility back?
    Giving you a piece of your own medicine was definitely worth it. Only a very simple minded person sees the whole world as either "for his view of things" or "some sort of evil liberal". Now everyone got to look at my response and my quote of your first comment; and can see just how infantile your assertion was. But just to keep my responses on a more adult level, I will throw you in my ignore bin and make believe you don't exist so I don't get enticed to lower myself to your level. Feel free to get in the last word though even if I won't see it - others might enjoy it. Take care - stay in school, BTW.

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    Re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    Giving you a piece of your own medicine was definitely worth it. Only a very simple minded person sees the whole world as either "for his view of things" or "some sort of evil liberal". Now everyone got to look at my response and my quote of your first comment; and can see just how infantile your assertion was. But just to keep my responses on a more adult level, I will throw you in my ignore bin and make believe you don't exist so I don't get enticed to lower myself to your level. Feel free to get in the last word though even if I won't see it - others might enjoy it. Take care - stay in school, BTW.
    Could be the oddest response I've ever seen. God only knows what you are talking about. Oh, well, I better get back to reviving slavery, since, you know, that's what we do. LOL!
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