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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Minimum wage workers we all despise so much? Where the hell do you get your perspective? What makes you think "right-wingers" despise minimum wage workers? Get a clue dip****, a lot of us started off in those jobs until we gained the skills to move up. Just because there are people who do not improve their position in life does not mean they deserve $15 to do a $7 an hour job. It is no surprise to those of us who understand business that those pushing for doubling their pay can't understand the dynamics, that's why they make minimum wage.
    ¨Just because there are people who do not improve their position in life does not mean they deserve $15 to do a $7 an hour job.¨

    Those people have been called lazy, stupid and losers in many right wing posts on this subject. When it is pointed out that they may have circumstances that prevent them from improving their situation (such as having dependents, limited English, criminal record etc.) the reply is that they deserve their lowly fate for life because of their youthful mistakes. It is also considered ethical by right wingers to pay such a low wage that the workers can not afford basic food, shelter and clothing. That is spite and exploitation.

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    ¨Just because there are people who do not improve their position in life does not mean they deserve $15 to do a $7 an hour job.¨

    Those people have been called lazy, stupid and losers in many right wing posts on this subject. When it is pointed out that they may have circumstances that prevent them from improving their situation (such as having dependents, limited English, criminal record etc.) the reply is that they deserve their lowly fate for life because of their youthful mistakes. It is also considered ethical by right wingers to pay such a low wage that the workers can not afford basic food, shelter and clothing. That is spite and exploitation.
    Why is the business owner responsible for their bad choices in life? There are plenty of ways to get out of an entry level job....

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    ¨Just
    because there are people who do not


    improve their position in life does not mean they deserve $15 to do a $7 an hour job.¨

    Those people have been called lazy, stupid and losers in many right wing posts on this subject. When it is pointed out that they may have circumstances that prevent them from improving their situation (such as having dependents, limited English, criminal record etc.) the reply is that they deserve their lowly fate for life because of their youthful mistakes. It is also considered ethical by right wingers to pay such a low wage that the workers can not afford basic food, shelter and clothing. That is spite and exploitation.
    When is your side going to grasp the concept of personal responsibillity ?

    And IF a person has "dependents" or a criminal record, then who's fault is that and what makes you think a arbitrary wage increase is going to improve their situation ?

    Most people who are restricted to working a 7 dollar an hour wage have only themselves to blame, and usually don't possess the base intelligence or self control to budget their expenses.

    15 wont be enough for them, 21 wont be enough for them because they lack the fundamental knowledge and education to live within their means.

    THEN those people have children and pass down that same irresponsible thought process that got them stuck in a 7 dollar an hour job in the first place.
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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    ¨Just because there are people who do not improve their position in life does not mean they deserve $15 to do a $7 an hour job.¨

    Those people have been called lazy, stupid and losers in many right wing posts on this subject. When it is pointed out that they may have circumstances that prevent them from improving their situation (such as having dependents, limited English, criminal record etc.) the reply is that they deserve their lowly fate for life because of their youthful mistakes. It is also considered ethical by right wingers to pay such a low wage that the workers can not afford basic food, shelter and clothing. That is spite and exploitation.
    So the tiny percetage of workers who fit your description should be sufficient to set a national MW of $15/hr?

    I think a new meme is required to gain any sliver of credibility here.

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    ¨Just because there are people who do not improve their position in life does not mean they deserve $15 to do a $7 an hour job.¨

    Those people have been called lazy, stupid and losers in many right wing posts on this subject. When it is pointed out that they may have circumstances that prevent them from improving their situation (such as having dependents, limited English, criminal record etc.) the reply is that they deserve their lowly fate for life because of their youthful mistakes. It is also considered ethical by right wingers to pay such a low wage that the workers can not afford basic food, shelter and clothing. That is spite and exploitation.
    I see. So even though I have said none of those things because I am a conservative you assume that is what I think? You are missing an important point. Wages are not based on what people "deserve", they are based on market principles and productivity. I own a business, I guarantee I did not start it in order to provide living wages. Businesses exist to make a profit, and labor is one of the expenses. It does not matter if the guy sweeping the floor is a high school kid or a 40 year old immigrant with 10 children, the value of the job is the same. As luck would have it we are all free to pursue any career field we want to and are free to advance as far as possible based on what we are capable of producing. Any one of these minimum wage earners is free to start their own business if they prefer. It takes a lot of hard work though. Maybe that's why they prefer to strike for $15 an hour for low skilled work rather than strike out on their own.

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good morning, ttwtt78640.

    Just when you think you've heard it all!?! So the workers at McDonalds in New York want their minimum wage doubled to $15 per hour! Why do they think they're worth that? Experienced 30-year carpenters have seen their wages fall to $15 to $18 per hour since the housing/remodeling bust of a few years ago.

    I like McDonalds breakfasts occasionally when I'm strapped for time, but I'm not going to pay $8 dollars for a sausage McMuffin with egg! There will be layoffs since there won't be the traffic there used to be, so this is a win? IT WON'T FLY HERE IN NE Ohio, IMO!
    Here is a though go try to servive on minimum wage in New York for a week and see how far that gets you maybe a couple of cab rides. So the right complains about people being on welfare, then they gripe when they do have a job and want a raise while the profits of these companies are in the 100 million range. GOP new slogan should be: Keep them poor, Get them sick, let them die quickly.

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Nobody is talking about the domino effect raising Fast Food workers wages to 15 an hour. This will cause the semi skilled worker that makes 15 an hour to demand a raise because why should he work at 15 an hour for his semi skilled job when he can flip burger for the same amount. so he gets a raise to 20 an hour then the skilled worker demands a raise because why should he be making the same as that semi skilled worker does, and so on and so forth. up the wage ladder it goes as the price for everything they produce is increased to cover the higher employment cost across the board

    so it isn't just the fast food workers wages that will be increased. the shift manager will demand more, the store manager will demand more, the truck driver that delivers those burgers and fries will demand, more the warehouse worker where the keep those burgers and fries will demand more, and so on

    so what is the point of getting a 50% raise when everything will cost 50% more

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    Here is a though go try to servive on minimum wage in New York for a week and see how far that gets you maybe a couple of cab rides. So the right complains about people being on welfare, then they gripe when they do have a job and want a raise while the profits of these companies are in the 100 million range. GOP new slogan should be: Keep them poor, Get them sick, let them die quickly.
    if your only option is to work fast food to support your self or your family then the problem is with you not fast food wages

    those jobs are not so some one can make a living they are for the high school and college student for some extra spending money or to help with school supplies not to support a family

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    Here is a though go try to servive on minimum wage in New York for a week and see how far that gets you maybe a couple of cab rides. So the right complains about people being on welfare, then they gripe when they do have a job and want a raise while the profits of these companies are in the 100 million range. GOP new slogan should be: Keep them poor, Get them sick, let them die quickly.
    You know, dang, but apparently the memo from the Progressive Machine hasn't reached everyone. The old "poor, sick, die" meme is way old.

    Question, what is a person doing trying to live in New York City on a minimum wage job? Should "Franchisee" be something covered in central committee planning meetings?

    I'm thinking cliche's have probably been addressed in other memo's from the Progressive Machine.

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    Here is a though go try to servive on minimum wage in New York for a week and see how far that gets you maybe a couple of cab rides. So the right complains about people being on welfare, then they gripe when they do have a job and want a raise while the profits of these companies are in the 100 million range. GOP new slogan should be: Keep them poor, Get them sick, let them die quickly.

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