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    Re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    I personally cannot go back to my origins.
    So are trying to claim you don't know how your familiy got from there to here.....and this is a justification from your luddism?
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you need to read. ..why was commerce turned over to the federal government?

    answer because under the articles of confederation, states were enacting trade barriers, and trade wars with other states, this was causing commerce to come to a stand still in America.

    so commerce was turned over to the federal government, to regulate commerce laws, which were enacted by the states, with the federal government having authority over them.
    I don't disagree with you about the motivation to put those commerce controls in the USC. I am merely saying that the vesting clause is why Congress can make a minimum wage. This is no different than the 2nd Amendment. That was so that we could quickly form a militia to repel an invasion. Just because nowadays we have an Air National Guard and a National Guard is no reason IMHO to toss out the 2nd Amendment. Same thing. Just because the motivation of the time was well known does not limit the present day value of something in the USC. And the value of the vesting clause is clear in this case - it allows Congress to create a minimum wage. And I use the word "allows" because the judicial branch SCOTUS said it was allowed after reviewing it.

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    Re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    As usual, you completely ignore the point I made. It is not 1787, we have had vast amounts of interpretation of the Constitution since then and to ignore the path of how we got from there to here is just intellectual laziness.

    Fundamentalism is so boring and dead, it is luddism defined.

    so..... since the founders who say what commerce is for, ..you instead chose to ignore them, and make you own interpretation.........how convenient.

    i dont find it amazing you dont wish to follow the constitution.......so few people do.....

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    Re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    I am not sure of the complete intent, but do know that when minimum wage was created the POTUS said it was the most important thing since the New Deal. Clearly Congress and the POTUS felt passionate about minimum wage. In fact, the guy who created it - he went on to become a Supreme Court Justice. SCOTUS ruled on minimum wage a few years later and they were unanimous and not split in their view of it.

    I absolutely desire for Americans to become self supporting. I want the ones that do not work to start working, and I want the ones that do work to make enough that they do not ask for entitlements to subsidize their work. Minimum wage won't fix the lack of work in USA, but it will get the working ones off entitlement. To go after the ones that do not work is a much more complicated matter and involves cultural changes for minorities and some other things. But minimum wage I view as a definite fix that should lower entitlements considerably.
    Where do families come into play in your view? There will always be those that choose not to work, and as long as entitlements are available will be content with what government provides. All a minimum wage does is to give less incentive for business to provide entry level jobs in the marketplace...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Thank you, but I would have to disagree. The minimum wage was never intended to support a family of any size. It has only served to freeze out lesser skilled applicants during times of high unemployment and to further increase incentives for business to eliminate jobs at the lower end of the wage scale. If your desire is for individuals to become self-supporting, long-term support must be removed for those capable of doing so...
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    So are trying to claim you don't know how your familiy got from there to here.....and this is a justification from your luddism?
    Do you even know what luddism is? Where am I against new technologies? I am pro technology. I have written and hold patents in USA, Canada, and Australia for wireless technologies. I work in technology consulting and am a Senior Director of technology for a Fortune 500 consulting company (soon to be Fortune 100, actually). Why am I a Luddite?

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    Re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    so..... since the founders who say what commerce is for, ..you instead chose to ignore them, and make you own interpretation.........how convenient.

    i dont find it amazing you dont wish to follow the constitution.......so few people do.....
    I am still pointing out that argument against minimum wage set by govt by pointing to what founders said is a luddite ignoring of history since. I have little interest in what slave owners opinions MIGHT be about minimum wage, their outlook was VERY Aristotelian.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    I don't disagree with you about the motivation to put those commerce controls in the USC. I am merely saying that the vesting clause is why Congress can make a minimum wage. This is no different than the 2nd Amendment. That was so that we could quickly form a militia to repel an invasion. Just because nowadays we have an Air National Guard and a National Guard is no reason IMHO to toss out the 2nd Amendment. Same thing. Just because the motivation of the time was well known does not limit the present day value of something in the USC. And the value of the vesting clause is clear in this case - it allows Congress to create a minimum wage. And I use the word "allows" because the judicial branch SCOTUS said it was allowed after reviewing it.
    Vested clause is a clause that grants authority. This clause is included under the constitution to authorize the main branches of a government such as the legislative, executive, and the judiciary, to Congress, the President, and the Supreme Court respectively.

    Accordingly, through the provision of the constitution the legislative powers are vested with Congress. The legislative powers are granted to the Congress through USCS Const. Art. I, 1. This provision reads as:

    “All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Rep.

    this gives no power to congress to operate outside its delagated powers.....

    again the 10th...which is a limitation [a restrictive clause ] on the federal government....all power not delegated to the federal government by the constitution shall remain the power of the states......

    today's date...... does not change the meaning of the founders.

    the founders limited government power for a reason, becuase if government was unlimited, it would take over and be tyrannical.

    again nothing in the constitution allows this unlimited power...........congress has powers few and defined, as stated by madison.

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    Re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I am still pointing out that argument against minimum wage set by govt by pointing to what founders said is a luddite ignoring of history since. I have little interest in what slave owners opinions MIGHT be about minimum wage, their outlook was VERY Aristotelian.


    white slave owners....sorry has nothing to do with commerce...........defection on your part.

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    Re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    Do you even know what luddism is? Where am I against new technologies? I am pro technology. I have written and hold patents in USA, Canada, and Australia for wireless technologies. I work in technology consulting and am a Senior Director of technology for a Fortune 500 consulting company (soon to be Fortune 100, actually). Why am I a Luddite?
    Where did I say you were?

    Go back and review who I am responding to.

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    My bad, I made the mistake of confusing your post with one from Ernst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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