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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    these striking workers are being led to slaughter by their handlers
    that striking worker can be replaced the same day (s)he strikes. just substitute another body who wants a low paying job
    now, instead of a low paying job the striker has a no paying termination paper
    how did (s)he help him/herself with that strike?

    i am very sympathetic to those who feel the need to do something to increase their wages. anyone who works 40 hours a week should earn a sustainable wage
    but to strike without benefit of a unionized bargaining unit is just ignorant foolishness
    organize the bargaining unit first, THEN strike
    one should always know where they stand before taking a stand
    these folks are now in quicksand
    True, but it would take a very big union to accommodate the vast majority of fast food workers wanting to strike, which I imagine is close to a million. To get that many people to agree on a wage or benefit they're seeking would be, difficult to say the least.

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    Reagan wanted to give blacks a different minimum wage than whites. If Alabama made minimum wage for blacks $0.50 an hour, what would your position be? Go to the 34 minute, 18 second mark and start from there. GOP - one wage for whites and much lower wage for blacks.
    Another nonsense post from the nonsense factory. What you describe was not at all what RWR meant, and everyone knew it at the time. A "sub-minimum" wage to promote employment of young people and the inner city unemployed is an idea advanced many times over the years by both left and right. Your framing of the issue is dishonest.
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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    Reagan wanted to give blacks a different minimum wage than whites. If Alabama made minimum wage for blacks $0.50 an hour, what would your position be? Go to the 34 minute, 18 second mark and start from there. GOP - one wage for whites and much lower wage for blacks.
    It's a different minimum wage for young people, not black people.
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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    All of this fighting over jobs that were designed to introduce our nations young to the working world, being taken by adults with families that should be out there working in other jobs designed for them that are now non existent. Doesn't that big picture alone tell liberals that their policies are a failure?
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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Good morning all!

    Well, it's Labor Day, when we get to take the day off from labor! : I sure hope they don't decide to make a Holiday called Lazy Day, when people will have to go to work! I can hear the grumbling now.... :

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Is your position that unless the Constitution explicitly states that Congress can enact a specific kind of law, that it can't? I didn't see anything in the Constitution about enacting a law that says school buses must stop at railroad tracks, like in the Schoolhouse Rock video. Is that unconstitutional? Was the creation of a minimum wage itself unconstitutional?
    yes, the constitution gives a list of powers the federal government is delegated article 1 section 8, any power which is not a delegated power is unconstitutional, however government is engaged in many unconstitutional acts...ie, housing education epa, and many more things are not in the constitution.

    “[Congressional jurisdiction of power] is limited to certain enumerated objects, which concern all the members of the republic, but which are not to be attained by the separate provisions of any.” – James Madison, Federalist 14

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    school bus / local traffic laws, are not federal jurisdiction.

    the minimum wage is unconstitutional, government has no authority to dictate to a person or business what they must pay....nothing in the constitution which places limits on people or business, our constitution was written for governments only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the minimum wage is unconstitutional, government has no authority to dictate to a person or business what they must pay....nothing in the constitution which places limits on people or business, our constitution was written for governments only.
    Nobody has really brought that up yet, but it's hard to disagree. It does seem like a power reserved for the states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Another nonsense post from the nonsense factory. What you describe was not at all what RWR meant, and everyone knew it at the time. A "sub-minimum" wage to promote employment of young people and the inner city unemployed is an idea advanced many times over the years by both left and right. Your framing of the issue is dishonest.
    I find it incredible that anyone would try and push this. This is not some deep south former KKK candidate, this is Reagan. Elected with two tremedous landslide victories. He couldn't win one state with a proposal like that. Yet, there are people that don't question it for a second. That is the kind of low information voter that Obama depends on when he speaks.
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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    I just wanted to see if we both agreed that Congress could pass laws as they saw fit, not whether they should. As for if they should, I've made my arguments elsewhere in this thread.

    Indeed, cost of living in different states is radically different. But surely you don't mean Alabama should set the minimum wage at lower than the federal minimum wage, right? That would involve a dirty little thing called nullification that usually doesn't end well for the State. I assume you just mean that the Federal government would ideally not have set one, letting Alabama set it as low as they wanted, right?
    I don't think we need the Feds to set a minimum wage. It should be up to the state. If a state did set it lower that the feds, then we would have a likely Supreme Court decision on whether or not the feds have the power to tell a state what the minimum wage is. But ideally, the feds wouldn't be involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gooseberry Jam View Post

    Do those employees deserve that money. Well they worked for it so they're entitled to it. It's their money, not McDonalds. McDonalds makes so much money it could be considered its own economy? Where did you get that fact?
    And here lies the joke of your entire premise. You wonder why Republicans hate the left? It I that. Entitlement. Answer me honestly. Do you really think flipping a burger is worth $10 an hour? Are you kidding? Have you actually been in McDonalds?

    It IS McDonald's money. McDonald's agrees to pay them $x for their services. If they don't agree with the amount McDonald's agrees to pay...they can find another job.

    Personally I don't even blame for these workers for going on strike because 7 bucks is too low for minimum wage because there's lots of mandatory payments these days, like smartphone payments. Not only do people have bills, like utilities, electricity, water, vehicle, insurance, but there's also, like nice threads and looking good.
    At what point did THOSE become mandatory? Are you going to die if you don't have a smartphone? As I read your comments I hope to God you are being sarcastic.

    If you don't make a lot of money you should be buying a cheapo pay per minute non smart phone with no contract. You damn sure shouldn't be buying expensive clothes. But. I guess if you had any financial planning knowledge, the crap low wage you make at a McDonald's wouldn't be that big of a deal because you would be spending on getting a better job or opportunity.
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