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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    i take it you disagree wholeheartedly with the concept of implied powers.
    How would you get that from my post?
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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    going to disagree with you , governments primary duty is the protection of the people [meaning rights], as sited in the DOI, and by the father of the Constitution, James Madison.

    James Madison-- "if men were angels no government would be necessary"--- but because men are not angels .......we have government.


    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
    Now you are getting more specific. You said protect law abiding citizens before, nothing about rights. Note, madison is implying that we don't want government, it is a bad thing, and we want as little government as possible.

    As the DOI says, our rights don't come from government, they are God given. And there is no right to someone else's property, by definition that is no longer a right. So no, the government is not protecting rights when it is forcing someone to fork over money to someone else, it is taking rights.
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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Is your position that unless the Constitution explicitly states that Congress can enact a specific kind of law, that it can't? I didn't see anything in the Constitution about enacting a law that says school buses must stop at railroad tracks, like in the Schoolhouse Rock video. Is that unconstitutional? Was the creation of a minimum wage itself unconstitutional?
    No, I don't think there is anything in there about school buses. But it does say they can make laws. You asked if they had power to make laws, and hot dang, they do! We don't really need the feds to make minimum wage laws, the states can do that.
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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Now you are getting more specific. You said protect law abiding citizens before, nothing about rights. Note, madison is implying that we don't want government, it is a bad thing, and we want as little government as possible.

    As the DOI says, our rights don't come from government, they are God given. And there is no right to someone else's property, by definition that is no longer a right. So no, the government is not protecting rights when it is forcing someone to fork over money to someone else, it is taking rights.

    governments are to protect our rights......they are not here to guide us, tell us what to do.............BUT they are taking our rights, and telling us what to do......unconstitutional

    madison is saying that if all men acted like angels we would not need government, becuase all men would respect each others rights, and their would be no problems between men.........no government would be necessary......but becuase men do not respect rights, we have government.

    as you stated rights dont come from government they are given to us by god, or a higher being, and becuase government does not give them, they have to power to take from the people.

    you have a right to property, government taking your money and turning it over to other people is not constitutional, becuase it is not a delegated power of government.

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gooseberry Jam View Post
    There's been a lot of talk about strikes in the fast food industry. Who among you can blame them? They're only getting paid minimum wage? You call that some standard of living? Can anyone here honestly say the standard of living for the average employee of the fast food industry?

    McDonalds makes a fortune in sales every day, but it treats its workers like lint. Would it go bankrupt over paying each employee, say, 10 bucks an hour? Do those employees deserve that money. Well they worked for it so they're entitled to it. It's their money, not McDonalds. McDonalds makes so much money it could be considered its own economy? Where did you get that fact?

    Its not just McDonalds, whether you work and Taco Bell or Arbys, you can expect your wages to be VERY low. Will the wages go on strike if the minimum wage isn't rise? A rise man once said.

    Personally I don't even blame for these workers for going on strike because 7 bucks is too low for minimum wage because there's lots of mandatory payments these days, like smartphone payments. Not only do people have bills, like utilities, electricity, water, vehicle, insurance, but there's also, like nice threads and looking good.

    Finally there's the objectification issue because let's face it Wendys has not had a good track record lately when in comes to its portrayal of men lately. GUTS Headquarters' Jeffery Tolman found this interesting bit of concept art from Wendy's Cheeseburger Pretzel Burger commercial and posted it on Wendy's Facebook page. Take a look at this side by side comparison:

    http://oi44.tinypic.com/t857vs.jpg

    In the finished commercial, the actress playing Wendy is sitting on some sort of bean bag, but in the original conception, she is sitting on the back of a man, whose on his hands and knees. So men are suppose to be furniture?

    Now I see fast food workers are striking.
    these striking workers are being led to slaughter by their handlers
    that striking worker can be replaced the same day (s)he strikes. just substitute another body who wants a low paying job
    now, instead of a low paying job the striker has a no paying termination paper
    how did (s)he help him/herself with that strike?

    i am very sympathetic to those who feel the need to do something to increase their wages. anyone who works 40 hours a week should earn a sustainable wage
    but to strike without benefit of a unionized bargaining unit is just ignorant foolishness
    organize the bargaining unit first, THEN strike
    one should always know where they stand before taking a stand
    these folks are now in quicksand
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    No, I don't think there is anything in there about school buses. But it does say they can make laws. You asked if they had power to make laws, and hot dang, they do! We don't really need the feds to make minimum wage laws, the states can do that.
    You asked where in the Constitution does it give Congress the right to pass laws addressing fairness (which I interpret broadly to mean laws that favor some people over others). Now you say they can pass laws but we don't need them to. So I guess I don't really understand your position. Do you simply mean to invoke States' Rights over these issues? States certainly can raise their minimum wages above the federal level, but I guess that's not what you favor.

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    You asked where in the Constitution does it give Congress the right to pass laws addressing fairness (which I interpret broadly to mean laws that favor some people over others). Now you say they can pass laws but we don't need them to. So I guess I don't really understand your position. Do you simply mean to invoke States' Rights over these issues? States certainly can raise their minimum wages above the federal level, but I guess that's not what you favor.
    Let's not go skipping ahead. What do you mean by "fairness"? We all know about equal rights, I think everyone agrees that we all have the same rights. But that is not "fairness". Nobody here has said they can not pass minimum wage laws, but do we need them to? States can take care of that. If the people of Alabama want a $6 minimum and the people of Florida want a $10 minimum, that's fine.
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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Nobody here has said they can not pass minimum wage laws, but do we need them to? States can take care of that. If the people of Alabama want a $6 minimum and the people of Florida want a $10 minimum, that's fine.

    I just wanted to see if we both agreed that Congress could pass laws as they saw fit, not whether they should. As for if they should, I've made my arguments elsewhere in this thread.

    Indeed, cost of living in different states is radically different. But surely you don't mean Alabama should set the minimum wage at lower than the federal minimum wage, right? That would involve a dirty little thing called nullification that usually doesn't end well for the State. I assume you just mean that the Federal government would ideally not have set one, letting Alabama set it as low as they wanted, right?

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Let's not go skipping ahead. What do you mean by "fairness"? We all know about equal rights, I think everyone agrees that we all have the same rights. But that is not "fairness". Nobody here has said they can not pass minimum wage laws, but do we need them to? States can take care of that. If the people of Alabama want a $6 minimum and the people of Florida want a $10 minimum, that's fine.
    Reagan wanted to give blacks a different minimum wage than whites. If Alabama made minimum wage for blacks $0.50 an hour, what would your position be? Go to the 34 minute, 18 second mark and start from there. GOP - one wage for whites and much lower wage for blacks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    Reagan wanted to give blacks a different minimum wage than whites. If Alabama made minimum wage for blacks $0.50 an hour, what would your position be? Go to the 34 minute, 18 second mark and start from there. GOP - one wage for whites and much lower wage for blacks.

    Wow. Just....wow. I don't know how he justified that position. That's amazing. I had no idea that he was that f***ed up. A segregated minimum wage??? That should really be in the history books. I just don't understand how that could have been possible to say and still get him elected.

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