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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Consumers have many choices, both between restaurants and within the menu of a specific restaurant. Please identify the research results that show a causative relationship between McDonald's and obesity. Then stop whining.
    I already did. If you don't like my posting style then put me on ignore.

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

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    I already did. If you don't like my posting style then put me on ignore.

    No. You have provided no evidence.
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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    His assertion was that minimum wage *must* be based on how many widgets a person can produce in an hour and the value of the widget.
    Not really concerned with that, I did not make that point.

    That is not what minimum wage should be based on. Minimum wage should be based on what Uncle Sam determines is needed to exist in USA without costing taxpayers money to subsidize that worker's life. Congress says poverty for a family of three has a threshold of $19,090.
    Well, at least now I know what you think. You are taking an anti-free market position and aligning with the government, wanting the government to dictate and to force businesses to pay more than the market has determined what a job is worth. Right so far?


    As such, if someone makes less than $19,090 then I personally have to give tax money to Uncle Sam so they can hand it to this poor person in the form of food stamps, section 8, free medical, and other entitlements. My argument is if the person makes some amount beyond that, I am relieved of the burden of carrying someone else through life.
    Let me clear one thing up for you, no matter what the minimum wage, if you think that your tax liability will be lowered because of it, you need to get back to reality. No way on Earth that that is happening.

    So I want minimum wage to be the correct amount so an American can pay his own way through this world. McDonald's for example wants to pay the person $13K a year or less so that they can sell their burger for $1 and I can pay the person another $10K in salary through my taxes so the person has a life equal to or better than what Congress says is the minimum quality of life in USA. Well I personally do not want to pay half of that person's salary; and I do not eat their disgusting, unhealthy crap they try and push as actual food.
    Well, I guess that is where our biggest disagreement is. To me, minimum wage is necessary for those situations where jobs are so scarce (as in an Obama economy) and there are hundreds and hundreds of applicants for a single opening, that the market drives the wages for that job so low that it is not acceptible, and society wants to put a floor, as in bottom, or minimum, to the wages. As such, it is also unfair for the government to force employers to pay wages that are so inflated and destructive to their businesses and the economy as a whole. As I said before, if you believe in this, then you should have no problem whatsoever with them surcharging your $100 bill to $200.
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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Really? Where in the Constitution does the government have that power? No, it's kind of not what they (are supposed to) do.
    Where in the constitution does it say that the government can pass laws? Here's a refresher if you need one:


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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    Would you agree that the primary purpose of government is to protect the law abiding citizens of a country? Would you further agree that there is a very strong relationship between crime and poverty? And if you agree with those two points, would you conclude that if a government reduces poverty, they also reduce crime and make the country safer for the law abiding citizens?
    I was responding to the assertion that it is the job of government to make things fair. Now, you are asking if it's primary purpose is to protect law abiding citizens. That is quite a general statement, and I would say no, that's not a power granted to government in the Constitution. It is way too vague, and the Constitution grants specific powers to government, if it doesn't specifically grant a power then, no, they don't have that power.

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Where in the constitution does it say that the government can pass laws? Here's a refresher if you need one:
    Don't need a refresher, just need to look at the Constitution, Sections 7 and 8 of Article 1. Only took a minute to look up, you're not telling me you didn't even bother looking?
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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Don't need a refresher, just need to look at the Constitution, Sections 7 and 8 of Article 1. Only took a minute to look up, you're not telling me you didn't even bother looking?
    i take it you disagree wholeheartedly with the concept of implied powers.

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    There's been a lot of talk about strikes in the fast food industry. Who among you can blame them? They're only getting paid minimum wage? You call that some standard of living? Can anyone here honestly say the standard of living for the average employee of the fast food industry?

    McDonalds makes a fortune in sales every day, but it treats its workers like lint. Would it go bankrupt over paying each employee, say, 10 bucks an hour? Do those employees deserve that money. Well they worked for it so they're entitled to it. It's their money, not McDonalds. McDonalds makes so much money it could be considered its own economy? Where did you get that fact?

    Its not just McDonalds, whether you work and Taco Bell or Arbys, you can expect your wages to be VERY low. Will the wages go on strike if the minimum wage isn't rise? A rise man once said.

    Personally I don't even blame for these workers for going on strike because 7 bucks is too low for minimum wage because there's lots of mandatory payments these days, like smartphone payments. Not only do people have bills, like utilities, electricity, water, vehicle, insurance, but there's also, like nice threads and looking good.

    Finally there's the objectification issue because let's face it Wendys has not had a good track record lately when in comes to its portrayal of men lately. GUTS Headquarters' Jeffery Tolman found this interesting bit of concept art from Wendy's Cheeseburger Pretzel Burger commercial and posted it on Wendy's Facebook page. Take a look at this side by side comparison:

    http://oi44.tinypic.com/t857vs.jpg

    In the finished commercial, the actress playing Wendy is sitting on some sort of bean bag, but in the original conception, she is sitting on the back of a man, whose on his hands and knees. So men are suppose to be furniture?

    Now I see fast food workers are striking.

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I was responding to the assertion that it is the job of government to make things fair. Now, you are asking if it's primary purpose is to protect law abiding citizens. That is quite a general statement, and I would say no, that's not a power granted to government in the Constitution. It is way too vague, and the Constitution grants specific powers to government, if it doesn't specifically grant a power then, no, they don't have that power.

    So, no, I don't agree.
    going to disagree with you , governments primary duty is the protection of the people [meaning rights], as sited in the DOI, and by the father of the Constitution, James Madison.

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Don't need a refresher, just need to look at the Constitution, Sections 7 and 8 of Article 1. Only took a minute to look up, you're not telling me you didn't even bother looking?

    Is your position that unless the Constitution explicitly states that Congress can enact a specific kind of law, that it can't? I didn't see anything in the Constitution about enacting a law that says school buses must stop at railroad tracks, like in the Schoolhouse Rock video. Is that unconstitutional? Was the creation of a minimum wage itself unconstitutional?

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