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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    "If they need to pay workers 7$/hour to make a profit there would be no McDonald's outside the U.S." Your words, not mine. I see no distinction in your claim between the developed world and developing countries. Would you like to change your claim?
    There I changed it, happy now?

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Choice: government bureaucracy to subsidize low-wage employers and supplement minimum-wage salaries or firms paying a wage which does not require such subsidies in order to survive. Saying these firms make plenty in profit, it's a no brainer. It's not up to the taxpayer to pay McDonald's workers what McDonald refuses to pay.

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    There I changed it, happy now?
    Aren't you? Don't you want to do your best?
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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I'm glad you are so against accusing people of things.
    I gave you a bit of your own medicine. And the facts remain that only a small portion of America produces something. There are plenty of Americans in support roles or in a services role. If you believe this guy's assertion is correct then you have the same issues he has - the lack of understanding that not everyone produces something, and yet still has a wage value. "To achieve that minimum wage, how much value do you calculate the worker must produce for his employer? Wages aren't based on need. They are based on production.". -- SAWDUST

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Choice: government bureaucracy to subsidize low-wage employers and supplement minimum-wage salaries or firms paying a wage which does not require such subsidies in order to survive. Saying these firms make plenty in profit, it's a no brainer. It's not up to the taxpayer to pay McDonald's workers what McDonald refuses to pay.
    The Federal Government picked a wage they felt all Americans should minimally earn. States and counties have gone beyond that with higher minimum wages. If McDonald's cannot make a product that consumers want AND be able to meet a reasonable minimum wage for their unskilled labor; then they should go out of business. I candidly think their product is garbage, and I feel Americans should avoid eating there; thus driving them out of business anyway. While fast food may taste great; it is very unhealthy and the medical conditions it causes are a burden on taxpayers. I don't view McDonald's as any different than RJR Tobacco Company, candidly.

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Choice: government bureaucracy to subsidize low-wage employers and supplement minimum-wage salaries or firms paying a wage which does not require such subsidies in order to survive. Saying these firms make plenty in profit, it's a no brainer. It's not up to the taxpayer to pay McDonald's workers what McDonald refuses to pay.
    Well the difference is who pays for the price hike to benefit its low wage worker. If it's the taxpayer via federal programs, the burden is weighted according to tax rates (disproportionately the middle class and higher). If it's the company, the burden is weighted out according to who actually eats at McDonald's (disproportionately, the poor).

    So the liberal solution to "make the company pay" actually is advising that the poor be taxed to help the poor.

    (And this ignores the erroneous claim that we "must" have welfare just because a company or industry pays its workers low wages. Our government is not required to subsidize every moneyless low wage person, they choose to though, for their own reasons.)
    Last edited by Neomalthusian; 09-01-13 at 04:28 PM.

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    The Federal Government picked a wage they felt all Americans should minimally earn. States and counties have gone beyond that with higher minimum wages. If McDonald's cannot make a product that consumers want AND be able to meet a reasonable minimum wage for their unskilled labor; then they should go out of business. I candidly think their product is garbage, and I feel Americans should avoid eating there; thus driving them out of business anyway. While fast food may taste great; it is very unhealthy and the medical conditions it causes are a burden on taxpayers. I don't view McDonald's as any different than RJR Tobacco Company, candidly.
    Evidence?
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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Evidence?
    Segen's Medical Dictionary. © 2012 Farlex, Inc. All rights reserved.

    Healthy Food
    Any food believed to be ‘good for you’, especially if high in fiber, natural vitamins, fructose, etc. Healthy foods may reduce cholesterol, reduce atherosclerosis and risk of stroke, help control glucose, halt progression of osteoporosis, and reduce the risk of infections, cancer
    Examples Apples, beans, carrots, cranberry juice, fish, garlic, ginger, nuts, oats, olive oil, soy foods, tea, yogurt

    Unhealthy Food
    Any food that is not regarded as being conducive to maintaining health; UFs include fats, in particular of animal origin, 'fast' foods–low in fiber and vitamins; 'junk food'–eg, potato and corn chips, pretzels, crackers–high in salt and tropical oils; 'white sauces'–northern Italian cuisine, high in fat. See Junk food.


    McDonalds Fast Food: Toxic Ingredients Include Putty and Cosmetic PetrochemicalsEndAllDisease.com
    McDonalds Fast Food: Toxic Ingredients Include Putty and Cosmetic Petrochemicals
    Every mouthful of McDonalds meal contains a handful of chemicals that raise ‘bad’ cholesterol levels, increase diabetes risk, lower immunity, and damage DNA.
    Chicken nuggets include:
    sodium phosphates;
    bleached wheat flour (nutrients removed);
    food starch-modified (likely genetically-modified);
    dextrose (sugar);
    partially hydrogenated soybean oil and cottonseed oil with mono-and diglycerides, (trans fats);
    Prepared in vegetable oil (Canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil) (trans fats);
    TBHQ, tertiary butylhydroquinone, a petroleum derived product;
    Dimethylpolysiloxane added as an antifoaming agent (a form of silicone used in cosmetics, and Silly Putty).

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    So the liberal solution to "make the company pay" actually is advising that the poor be taxed to help the poor.
    How so? Let's look at this outcome-prices go up some so that workers at McDonalds get a higher wage paid through the company. In turn, government subsidies go down so the consumer who eats at McDonalds pays rather than all taxpayers. Isn't that how capitalism is suppose to work? If the poor can't afford McDonalds anymore, maybe they could eat healthier food rather than a dollar burger filled with sodium, fat and crap du jour and not require future medical costs (also through the taxpayer). How can this not be a win-win situation?

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    Segen's Medical Dictionary. © 2012 Farlex, Inc. All rights reserved.

    Healthy Food
    Any food believed to be ‘good for you’, especially if high in fiber, natural vitamins, fructose, etc. Healthy foods may reduce cholesterol, reduce atherosclerosis and risk of stroke, help control glucose, halt progression of osteoporosis, and reduce the risk of infections, cancer
    Examples Apples, beans, carrots, cranberry juice, fish, garlic, ginger, nuts, oats, olive oil, soy foods, tea, yogurt

    Unhealthy Food
    Any food that is not regarded as being conducive to maintaining health; UFs include fats, in particular of animal origin, 'fast' foods–low in fiber and vitamins; 'junk food'–eg, potato and corn chips, pretzels, crackers–high in salt and tropical oils; 'white sauces'–northern Italian cuisine, high in fat. See Junk food.


    McDonalds Fast Food: Toxic Ingredients Include Putty and Cosmetic PetrochemicalsEndAllDisease.com
    McDonalds Fast Food: Toxic Ingredients Include Putty and Cosmetic Petrochemicals
    Every mouthful of McDonalds meal contains a handful of chemicals that raise ‘bad’ cholesterol levels, increase diabetes risk, lower immunity, and damage DNA.
    Chicken nuggets include:
    sodium phosphates;
    bleached wheat flour (nutrients removed);
    food starch-modified (likely genetically-modified);
    dextrose (sugar);
    partially hydrogenated soybean oil and cottonseed oil with mono-and diglycerides, (trans fats);
    Prepared in vegetable oil (Canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil) (trans fats);
    TBHQ, tertiary butylhydroquinone, a petroleum derived product;
    Dimethylpolysiloxane added as an antifoaming agent (a form of silicone used in cosmetics, and Silly Putty).
    From EndAllDisease.com? That crackpot website?
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