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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    I made mine and then hired other people to.
    Customers create jobs. Anyone actually running a business would know this.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I think anyone who works 80 hours a week should be able to feed themselves, yes. Guess I'm just a communist.



    This, I think, is the underlying flaw in libertarianism. They take Econ 101 and think they understand the world. That's like taking Physics 101 and thinking you're an engineer.
    Someone who works 0 hours a week can feed themselves. Its called food stamps, soup kitchens and the dollar menu.

    And I think that is the underlying flaw in your logic, that econ 101 can simply just be ignored when attempting to understand the world. You can't take physics 101 and automatically be an engineer, but you also can't be an engineer without understanding physics 101.

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    And what exactly are your qualifications to make such a claim?
    Its common knowledge...you don't need any qualifications to have common sense.
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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    I wonder why they picked $15/hour out of a hat to fight for? Why not $30/hour?

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

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    I wonder why they picked $15/hour out of a hat to fight for? Why not $30/hour?
    Why not a billion?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by douglas View Post
    I guess it depends on where you live. (Berg? I'm not familiar with this term.) When I tell employers that I have that degree, they seem quite indifferent; they want workers, not thinkers.
    what that tells you is that you have reached out to the wrong prospective employers ... lots of firms need staff who understand math
    'berg' is just a slang term for city, neighborhood, town, etc


    True. I think American education is fraudulent in many ways. Partly, there is a lot of money in getting people to enroll in colleges, leading to a lot of the lying that leads people into thinking that a degree will magically get them a job.
    unfortunately, this is not something new. many folks got rich after vietnam setting up 'colleges' to 'teach' out-processed GIs, eligible for the GI bill. they accepted their benefit money and gave them little in the way of a genuine education
    which is why i am pleased to see Obama looking to index higher learning institutions based on the success of their graduates. those who do not have good records helping their graduates, should be ineligible to receive funds backed by the federal taxpayer. ditto for those who do not have much success in getting their students to the point of graduation

    I admit that I got my degree for the wrong reasons, but I was young and had lots of convincing liars around me.
    i feel you here. i chose an engineering school/degree only because i knew that is what would make my Dad the most pleased. not the worst reason ever but certainly not a wise one. with all the counselors we have in high schools these days, one would think our high school graduates would have a better understanding of their college prospects than they graduate with. in terms of both college success and career goals

    But, I still say that "small business" is not the solution to all our problems; we can't all own businesses and have no employees.
    i believe you need to give more thought to this. even the wage earner is selling his labor to his employer. almost extinct are the jobs where you can expect a retirement check at the conclusion of a career with the same organization. the reality is that most are now contracting themselves out for a period of time. as technology refreshens as an ever faster rate, so too do the jobs it makes possible and makes vanish. few who are reading this will end their working careers doing then what they are doing today. if you are a wage earner, you will quite possibly have a wide variety of job functions that you will have performed over your career. but the skill set required for most employees will be the ability to self market. this discussion itself demonstrates how essential it is for a job seeking employee to be able to not only posses the requisite skill set but to also be able to market that bundle of skills to prospective employers
    in your generation, expect to be an entrepreneur, whether you are business owner or whether you are selling your job skills as a contract employee
    so, acquire entrepreneurial skills now

    Those are all essentially luck now;
    no. being born into a rich family is luck
    buying the right lottery ticket is luck

    for everyone else, we have to make the best of our own opportunities. in a competitive world - no longer just a competitive nation - you must be able to have something compelling in your CV which causes employers to want to hire you from the vast pool of applicants


    Having a degree isn't helping the majority of people that graduated in the last couple of years.
    bull ****
    my daughter graduated two years ago and now manages a medical practice. she earns a great salary, bonuses, works from home, works her own hours, and has access to vacation homes at the coast, in the mountains and in the immediate downtown of the major city in which she works
    she is leaving that job at the end of the year to begin her own enterprise
    my son is four years older and now earns $10,000 a week, plus expenses. he refused a full ride to college to pursue his own business. returned to school a year and a half later only because the people he ran around with were in college. realized he loved academics at that level. got his masters when his cohort received their bachelors
    what i see that is different about these young adults? they are going for it. they know that the only person who can hold them back is them


    There prospectives are based on whether they know the right guy and are in the right place at the right time, not whether they know the right stuff or have the right degree.
    while the element of luck is always present, you also make your own luck by being positioned to exploit opportunities as they present themselves

    98% of businesses fail, so that's also a pretty big risk. In modern America, wealth is almost entirely due to luck.
    not true. i spent a quarter century dealing with small businesses. lending to them. managing their accounts. liquidating the failures. coaching those on the cusp to try to become successful. helping those with promise to become even more successful. the ones who were smart and hard working were the ones who succeeded. they also had to have the ability to persevere, because difficult hurdles were confronted by most. being smart and resourceful and hardworking allowed them to overcome those difficulties on their way to the brass ring

    Even in my own business idea, I completely acknowledge the fact that I could lose everything even though I worked for it.
    you could. but what is ever gained without risk. and i often encounter successful people who have experienced bankruptcy. they learned from it and had the motivation to refuse to allow that set back to end their pursuit of the American dream
    allow me here to also make another observation. at the end of my career, probably 30% of the small business owners i was helping were legal immigrants. while a tiny portion of the nation's population, these folks comprised a disproportionate number of business entrepreneurs. and i speculate that is because they are risk takers. people who left their native country in order to have a chance at economic success in a land which provides just such an opportunity. i do wonder why native born Americans are so unable to see the prospects of opportunity in their own country that foreign born persons recognize

    I agree, I wasn't lamenting for myself. I'm going to be fine, but what about the other millions of Americans who won't? I'm worried about my country.
    my only concern for you and what you have expressed is whether your fear of failure will be an impediment to your opportunities for success
    don't let it be so
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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why not a billion?
    They have as much chance of getting that from McDonald's as they do $15/hour to start, so why not?

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    They have as much chance of getting that from McDonald's as they do $15/hour to start, so why not?
    Aim high, accept low.... if they can make enough noise at $15, and accept $9 to quiet down, some owners may play the game.
    Building block or stumbling block.... choose.

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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    McDonald's hires 7,000 touch-screen cashiers | Crave - CNET

    This is what you get when labor costs spike. It's being tested in Europe and coming soon to a fast food joint near you.
    And you honestly don't think such new technology would ever be implemented otherwise? Were self checkout lanes implemented at grocery stores because all grocery store cashiers got some kind of across the board raise that spiked labor costs?
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    re: McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    I wonder why they picked $15/hour out of a hat to fight for? Why not $30/hour?
    Reductio ad absurdum

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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