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    Re: David Cameron loses Syria vote in Commons

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Britain didnt need anyone to tell them what to do because they were not dropping napalm or bombing catholic areas with our Tornadoes.
    There is always an excuse not to intervene in conflicts like these that is why we hesitated in the balkans, watched Rwanada happen in front our eyes and it is why we have sat back and watched the Syrian government use their far superior firepower to destroy its own people and its infastructure. The Syrian government is aided by Iran, Hezbolla, China and Russia and they heavily outgun the rebels. In despertaion have the rebels turned to more extremists groups to help fight this war maybe, but this shouldn't be used as a " get out of jail free card" by the West so we can continue to sit back and watch the continued bloodshed. If we back off and allow the continued use of chemical weapons in Syria then we are on a slippery slope.
    No, the British just killed 26 unarmed civil-rights protesters, allowed UVF (they were wearing British uniforms) to kill members of the Miami Showband, ignored arresting those involved in the Dublin bombing (just a few cases of collusion) and torture. Nah, the Brits did nothing wrong there.

    It's not an excuse to say it's not our business. The Balkans was an issue that went back to WW1 and needed to be fought yet we poked our noses in it and yet forces are still their to observe. Rwanada again is one of those places where it had to happen. Rwanada is a different place now. Their issues have been worked out. Without war, there is no winner. US went through it, UK went through it, Germany, France and others as well. It's part of growing as a country. Syria is a "young" country so it has to go through this power struggle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    A UN report issued earlier in the year concluded that both parties to the sectarian conflict were ignoring their civilian-protection responsibilities.

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    Government forces and affiliated militia committed the crimes against humanity of murder, torture, rape, enforced disappearance and other inhumane acts. War crimes and gross violations of international human rights and humanitarian law — including arbitrary arrest and detention, unlawful attack, attacking protected objects, and pillaging and destruction of property — were also committed.

    Anti-Government armed groups have committed war crimes, including murder, torture, hostage-taking and attacking protected objects. They continue to endanger the civilian population by positioning military objectives inside civilian areas. Where armed groups carried out bombings in predominantly civilian areas, it had the effect of spreading terror and amounted to the war crime of attacking civilians.


    http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBod...C.22.59_en.pdf
    So both sides are guilty, yet the West just wants to bomb one side. Ha! Bomb both sides.. I am an equal opportunity kind of guy.
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    Re: David Cameron loses Syria vote in Commons

    First, why would we choose to fight alongside al-Quaida? Do we want more of the Muslim Brotherhood? Did we not learn anything in Egypt?

    Second, if we're so worried about the people of Syria, what about the people of Congo, Sudan, Rwanda, etc?

    Third, this nation doesn't have the stomach to win a war anymore. We're weak. "Measured" responses don't work. If you're going to do it, do it right.

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    Re: David Cameron loses Syria vote in Commons

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    yeh look at the estimated civillian deaths and read civillian eye witness accounts.
    There is plenty of eyewitness accounts of the jihadist terrorist insurgents tying civilians up and killing them execution style. The terrorists have used snipers on UN officials, the terrorists have kidnapped UN officials and journalists, the terrorists have parked indiscriminating truck bombs outside of federal buildings killing innocent civilians, the terrorists have sacked and burned Christian churches, the terrorists get 10% of the civilian support while Assad gets 55-70%. You're on the wrong side of this!

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    Re: David Cameron loses Syria vote in Commons

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    A UN report issued earlier in the year concluded that both parties to the sectarian conflict were ignoring their civilian-protection responsibilities.

    Excerpts:

    Government forces and affiliated militia committed the crimes against humanity of murder, torture, rape, enforced disappearance and other inhumane acts. War crimes and gross violations of international human rights and humanitarian law — including arbitrary arrest and detention, unlawful attack, attacking protected objects, and pillaging and destruction of property — were also committed.

    Anti-Government armed groups have committed war crimes, including murder, torture, hostage-taking and attacking protected objects. They continue to endanger the civilian population by positioning military objectives inside civilian areas. Where armed groups carried out bombings in predominantly civilian areas, it had the effect of spreading terror and amounted to the war crime of attacking civilians.


    http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBod...C.22.59_en.pdf
    The United States, which periodically lectures to developing Third World nations about protecting human rights, rule of law, good governance and high moral standards, annually issuing ‘human rights practices’ of other countries, cannot restrain its own Special Operations forces stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan from indiscriminately killing innocent civilians.

    The worst is that U.S. authorities blatantly lie about these atrocities and war crimes by twisting the story to read that ‘insurgents’ were killed in a confrontation.

    This week, the United States, the foremost advocator to the Globe on human rights and rule of law while accusing other nations of committing genocide, war crimes and other atrocities, was exposed how U.S. Special Operations forces killed an innocent family in Afghanistan last February and another civilian massacre in Iraq in 2007.


    http://www.asiantribune.com/news/201...d-cover-foiled

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    Re: David Cameron loses Syria vote in Commons

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    No, the British just killed 26 unarmed civil-rights protesters, allowed UVF (they were wearing British uniforms) to kill members of the Miami Showband, ignored arresting those involved in the Dublin bombing (just a few cases of collusion) and torture. Nah, the Brits did nothing wrong there.

    It's not an excuse to say it's not our business. The Balkans was an issue that went back to WW1 and needed to be fought yet we poked our noses in it and yet forces are still their to observe. Rwanada again is one of those places where it had to happen. Rwanada is a different place now. Their issues have been worked out. Without war, there is no winner. US went through it, UK went through it, Germany, France and others as well. It's part of growing as a country. Syria is a "young" country so it has to go through this power struggle.

    Bloody Sunday? So an isolated incident in a long struggle against an enemy which actively targeted our service members is comparable to the Syrian government?

    Your right of course that every country has gone through this but unfourtuntly in this day and age with the weapons available we can not afford to sit back and let them go at it. If we do we run the risk of other countries using their own chemical weapons in the same way with no fear of punishment from the West.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: David Cameron loses Syria vote in Commons

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    how many more people have to die before we intervene?
    You ready to go in yourself?

    Commentary: A Lincoln Brigade for Syria | The National Interest

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    Re: David Cameron loses Syria vote in Commons

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Bloody Sunday? So an isolated incident in a long struggle against an enemy which actively targeted our service members is comparable to the Syrian government?
    Never compared. Just said each country wants to be left to deal with their problems how they want.. but it wasn't an isolated incident.. I could list much much more that paints the British as tyrant thugs as well but I give you (UK) benefit of the doubt, just like I give Syria.. stupid people do stupid things but doesn't reflect Government policy.



    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Your right of course that every country has gone through this but unfourtuntly in this day and age with the weapons available we can not afford to sit back and let them go at it. If we do we run the risk of other countries using their own chemical weapons in the same way with no fear of punishment from the West.
    You think "chemical" or Biological warfare is "new" and not been done before? US sent blankets infected with small pox to Indians to kill them. Sun Tzu wrote of it in the Art of War. Henry the III used Quicklime against the French. The Strasbourg Agreement of 1675 was the first "banning" of chemical weapons between the French and Germans. It has and will happen. Hell CS gas is a Chemical Weapon and police and the military use it ALL the time.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: David Cameron loses Syria vote in Commons

    Editors Title Correction:
    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Barack Hussein Obama loses Syria vote in Commons
    This was a vote of whether to support Obama, Mr. Yes We Can... The One We Have Been Waiting For.

    Parliament said... No We Don't, and we'll keep waiting chump.
    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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