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    UK and Syria

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/29/world/...war/index.html

    Basically the British PM is saying we can't tolerate the actions of Al Assad. It is easy to say that. It is all talk though. The reality is that Russia support these guys. Nobody wants to invade. So we are stuck. Sure. Someone may nut up enough to drop a few bombs, but that won't solve anything. We could also go drop a few humvees and a few companies of infantry and tanks and such. But then it is just a waiting game.

    So what are we left with? Arming Al Queda? Certainly not. Syria is a prime example of containment and why the west should stay the hell out of the Middle East. It is only a matter of time till someone kills Assad or ousts him from power. And we all know the rebels are not good guys either in this. People want to know how to solve the Middle East violence problem? Let it runs its course.

    The reality is that nobody will support conflict there. People are going to die. A few bombs may be dropped by the "UN" but a few more craters in the Mid East is nothing new.
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    Re: UK and Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    World must act to stop Syria's chemical weapons use, Cameron says - CNN.com

    Basically the British PM is saying we can't tolerate the actions of Al Assad. It is easy to say that. It is all talk though. The reality is that Russia support these guys. Nobody wants to invade. So we are stuck. Sure. Someone may nut up enough to drop a few bombs, but that won't solve anything. We could also go drop a few humvees and a few companies of infantry and tanks and such. But then it is just a waiting game.

    So what are we left with? Arming Al Queda? Certainly not. Syria is a prime example of containment and why the west should stay the hell out of the Middle East. It is only a matter of time till someone kills Assad or ousts him from power. And we all know the rebels are not good guys either in this. People want to know how to solve the Middle East violence problem? Let it runs its course.

    The reality is that nobody will support conflict there. People are going to die. A few bombs may be dropped by the "UN" but a few more craters in the Mid East is nothing new.
    Heya SW. Wasn't it the Brits who jumped on the Band Wagon with the French First?

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    Usually the "UN" doesn't drop bombs, but that being besides the point, we hear Americans regularly point out our OBLIGATION to intervene when an ally is threatened or attacked. It is no different with Russia, Syria being their ally, of course they are going to support them. But this goes deeper than that. The Assad government predates Obama's birth certificate, like the syrian government or not, there are plenty of countries around the world that recognise it as legit, have embassies, exchange ambassadors, and otherwise do business with each other. So there are those that see supporting the established government as the right thing to do. Only a handful of western countries fancy supporting terrorists in their effort to overthrow the Assad government. I for one hope that Russia and China stand their ground and deny the west their wet dream of toppling another government they don't like.

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    If Syrians don't like Assad, let them organize and take him down. It's an internal affair and no other country has business there.
    If we assume that countries are independent and sovereign, that is.

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    NATO says 70% of Syrians support Assad. This is a western lead affair.

    The data, relayed to NATO over the last month, asserted that 70 percent
    of Syrians support the Assad regime. Another 20 percent were deemed neutral and the remaining 10 percent expressed support for the rebels.

    Russian officials and the media have been constantly recalling "Yugoslavia - 1999", "Iraq - 2003" and "Libya - 2011" as examples of Western military intervention which resulted in regime change.

    The suspicion in Moscow is that the West is plotting to add "Syria - 2013" to the list.

    Next, Russia continues to warn that military intervention will have "catastrophic consequences" for the wider region, including a rise in radical Islam. This week Russia's deputy prime minister tweeted that "the West is playing with the Islamic world like a monkey with a grenade".


    Finally, Russia believes that any military action without a mandate from the UN Security Council would be a "grave violation of international law".

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23865053
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    I can see no national interest for the UK to get involved in a situation hundreds of miles away. The situation in Syria is sad, chemical weapons killing innocent people, but this isn't our fight. What really ticks me off sometimes is how we here in the UK have our own domestic issues but when a foreign crisis spurs out our politicians behave like they have this magical god given role to enforce their ever changing morals.

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    So here's the deal. Sense 70% of Syrians squarely support Assad, 20% are neutral and only 10% support the terrorist rebels, why are people on this board or anywhere else supporting a strike on Syria. And furthermore, why does anybody still believe the stale propaganda coming from Washington? If your concern is for syrian civilians, then get on board with the syrian civilians and tell Washington to bud out!

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    Re: UK and Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    World must act to stop Syria's chemical weapons use, Cameron says - CNN.com

    Basically the British PM is saying we can't tolerate the actions of Al Assad. It is easy to say that. It is all talk though. The reality is that Russia support these guys. Nobody wants to invade. So we are stuck. Sure. Someone may nut up enough to drop a few bombs, but that won't solve anything. We could also go drop a few humvees and a few companies of infantry and tanks and such. But then it is just a waiting game.

    So what are we left with? Arming Al Queda? Certainly not. Syria is a prime example of containment and why the west should stay the hell out of the Middle East. It is only a matter of time till someone kills Assad or ousts him from power. And we all know the rebels are not good guys either in this. People want to know how to solve the Middle East violence problem? Let it runs its course.

    The reality is that nobody will support conflict there. People are going to die. A few bombs may be dropped by the "UN" but a few more craters in the Mid East is nothing new.
    While I think that Assad should have been deposed, when he started shooting at the demonstrators. At that time there were no Islamists and terrorists fighting and it would have been clear cut and clean.

    I do not think the US should have been the one to do it. That should have been the neighbors (Turkey, Arabia, Europe) or better even the UN. It did not happen.

    Now the US will have to do something, because the President set an ultimatum. If the dictator did not adhere and Obama does nothing it will be more costly for the US in the next conflict. Also R2P is important and requires precedence. The UN had very good reasons to introduce the new norm and it is in our vital interest.

    Also it would not be enough to throw a bomb or two.

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    Re: UK and Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya SW. Wasn't it the Brits who jumped on the Band Wagon with the French First?
    Nope Obama phoned Cameron this week and now we are rushing to pass this before Obama goes on his trip.


    BBC News - Why Cameron buckled on Syria vote
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: UK and Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Usually the "UN" doesn't drop bombs, but that being besides the point, we hear Americans regularly point out our OBLIGATION to intervene when an ally is threatened or attacked. It is no different with Russia, Syria being their ally, of course they are going to support them. But this goes deeper than that. The Assad government predates Obama's birth certificate, like the syrian government or not, there are plenty of countries around the world that recognise it as legit, have embassies, exchange ambassadors, and otherwise do business with each other. So there are those that see supporting the established government as the right thing to do. Only a handful of western countries fancy supporting terrorists in their effort to overthrow the Assad government. I for one hope that Russia and China stand their ground and deny the west their wet dream of toppling another government they don't like.
    Excellent points.

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