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Hasan has been sentenced to Death [W:198,239]

Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

"Hasan was been sentenced to death"

I mean - is it really so hard to copy and paste in the title of a news article? :roll:
 
Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

He knowingly targeted civilians.

If someone is shouting Allah Akbar as he is gunning down innocent people then chances are he is a terrorist. His place of killing or the uniform he is wearing means nothing.

He was shooting soldiers, and also shot civilians. When American troops do that, we call it "collateral damage."
 
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That has to be explained to you??? You sound like an outer space potato man!

I'm trying to figure out why it's not terrorism for us to shoot their guys and is terrorism when they shoot back, or when somebody shoots back on their behalf.
 
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I'm all for making conditions in prison less "pleasant" for the prisoners. I would actually like to see them working for 8-12 hours per day, instead of sitting around making weapons and planning attacks and riots and all that other trouble they get themselves into. Idle hands are the devil's playground. Maybe after they had to work hard all day, they wouldn't have any pent up energy to spend.

back in the good old days

Breaking rocks in the hot sun

 
Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

I'm trying to figure out why it's not terrorism for us to shoot their guys and is terrorism when they shoot back, or when somebody shoots back on their behalf.

wow, you really are enamored with this traitor who engaged in domestic terrorism
 
Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

He was shooting soldiers, and also shot civilians. When American troops do that, we call it "collateral damage."

Read carefully:

He targeted civilians.
 
Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

back in the good old days

Breaking rocks in the hot sun



Some people would call THAT cruel and unusual punishment even though construction workers do this kind of stuff every day. God forbid we make them work for their meals. That's just so mean. :roll:
 
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wow, you really are enamored with this traitor who engaged in domestic terrorism

You hate America. Why?

Oh, sorry, you were making more baseless personal attacks? Please continue. I don't want to derail.
 
Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

I'm trying to figure out why it's not terrorism for us to shoot their guys and is terrorism when they shoot back, or when somebody shoots back on their behalf.

Military acting on behalf of orders is military (classified in all sorts of ways).

Terrorism is not military acting on behalf of orders.

Terrorism is what we label actions against us according to certain criteria.

They - therefor - are responsible for deciding what something is to them. That's not our call. We can't tell them what things are when they happen to their country. We might label it for ourselves, for our media and populous, but they're not necessarily going to agree with us and see it the same way we do.

It's subjective depending on who is looking at it, and how they see it.
 
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I hope they don't delay this too long.

This is one of those times when the prohibition on "cruel and unusual punishment," comes back to bite you in the ass. This guy should die very painfully and very slowly.
 
Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

Military acting on behalf of orders is military (classified in all sorts of ways).

Terrorism is not military acting on behalf of orders.

Terrorism is what we label actions against us according to certain criteria.

They - therefor - are responsible for deciding what something is to them. That's not our call. We can't tell them what things are when they happen to their country. We might label it for ourselves, for our media and populous, but they're not necessarily going to agree with us and see it the same way we do.

It's subjective depending on who is looking at it, and how they see it.

So if someone orders you to commit an act of terror, it's not terrorism? That doesn't make any sense to me.

My criteria for terrorism doesn't include attacking military targets. Military targets are legitimate targets of war, if there could be said to be such a thing. Yes, he shot civilians, but we bomb civilians sometimes. Hell, we killed tons of them in WW2. It was called "collateral damage." So these particular assholes aren't a state actor. I don't see that as being critical either: they're the enemy. They don't recognize our legitimacy any more than we recognize theirs.
 
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He WANTED the death penalty.


I say put him in a 4 x 4 concrete box, and let him rot. If he gets hungry, feed him pork.
 
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So if someone orders you to commit an act of terror, it's not terrorism? That doesn't make any sense to me.

My criteria for terrorism doesn't include attacking military targets. Military targets are legitimate targets of war, if there could be said to be such a thing. Yes, he shot civilians, but we bomb civilians sometimes. Hell, we killed tons of them in WW2. It was called "collateral damage." So these particular assholes aren't a state actor. I don't see that as being critical either: they're the enemy. They don't recognize our legitimacy any more than we recognize theirs.

Good God, this wasn't an act of WAR. He was working for OUR military! :roll: This was definitely an act of terrorism IMO.
 
Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

He WANTED the death penalty.


I say put him in a 4 x 4 concrete box, and let him rot. If he gets hungry, feed him pork.

Muslims are allowed to eat pork if any hardship might be caused by not doing so. In fact, they can eat pork if they think you might be offended by their refusal to eat it.


Good God, this wasn't an act of WAR. He was working for OUR military! :roll: This was definitely an act of terrorism IMO.

That makes him a traitor, not a terrorist. The troops being unarmed makes it a war crime.

edit: Oops, there I go again. Showing my love for someone by calling them a traitor and a war criminal.
 
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Muslims are allowed to eat pork if any hardship might be caused by not doing so. In fact, they can eat pork if they think you might be offended by their refusal to eat it.




That makes him a traitor, not a terrorist. The troops being unarmed makes it a war crime.

edit: Oops, there I go again. Showing my love for someone by calling them a traitor and a war criminal.

Well I disagree. I think it was an act of terrorism. He did it to demonstrate his dedication to his terrorist brothers.
 
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Well I disagree. I think it was an act of terrorism. He did it to demonstrate his dedication to his terrorist brothers.

Personally I think being called a terrorist requires an actual act of terror, particularly when we're talking about a court conviction. I mean, I've never written a book but I really want to. Am I a writer?
 
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He was shooting soldiers, and also shot civilians. When American troops do that, we call it "collateral damage."

No, that is not what collateral damage means. There is no apparent reason why you are even involved in this discussion with the scant amount of knowledge you have..
 
Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

Personally I think being called a terrorist requires an actual act of terror, particularly when we're talking about a court conviction. I mean, I've never written a book but I really want to. Am I a writer?

First you should read a book.
 
Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

Personally I think being called a terrorist requires an actual act of terror, particularly when we're talking about a court conviction. I mean, I've never written a book but I really want to. Am I a writer?

Killing people isn't an act of terror? I beg to differ. He ambushed and killed them in the name of Allah. That is terrorism. Not only that but he had terrorist connections (refer to link) and he was praised by terrorists after the dirty deed.

Fort Hood Shooter Tried to Contact al Qaeda Terrorists, Officials Say - ABC News
 
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So if someone orders you to commit an act of terror, it's not terrorism? That doesn't make any sense to me.

My criteria for terrorism doesn't include attacking military targets. Military targets are legitimate targets of war, if there could be said to be such a thing. Yes, he shot civilians, but we bomb civilians sometimes. Hell, we killed tons of them in WW2. It was called "collateral damage." So these particular assholes aren't a state actor. I don't see that as being critical either: they're the enemy. They don't recognize our legitimacy any more than we recognize theirs.

Your criteria?

It's not a matter of personal opinion - we define terrorism in the US by certain standards.
other countries have their own standards that they use.

It's simple in concept but depends widely on what, exactly, happened.

I don't know what else you want to hear. It's subjective country to country.
 
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Can't know anything for sure, just my honest assessment of this man and what he wants.

So if anybody is sentenced to death all they have to say is that they wanted to die and you would not carry out the sentence?

Why would it matter what he wants or doesn't want?
 
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So if anybody is sentenced to death all they have to say is that they wanted to die and you would not carry out the sentence?

Why would it matter what he wants or doesn't want?

Because he wants to be a martyr.
 
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Because he wants to be a martyr.

It doesn't matter what he wants. That is not relevent in this matter.
 
Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

Because he wants to be a martyr.
Don't bother. These guys are happy to do what bin Laden couldn't finish. He played the tune and they are only too happy to dance. Let the war against Islam commence.
 
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