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    Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yup and lots of people are realizing what an absurd waste of time it is.
    The Bible is not a waste of time. I've had many important lessons illustrated. It helps me to improve on the things that I often falter regarding. And perhaps most importantly, it serves as an excellent communication tool with others. (I'm atheist)

    When the Bible says that a fool says there is no God, what does this mean? Well, one meaning is that all of us have metaphysical ideas. You know, that there could be something beyond our perception and control. When someone, despite this experience, refuses to consider or discuss the metaphysical, they are a fool. They are ignoring, despite knowledge and experience, to learn and interact with others in such a way. Refusing to acknowledge an innate aspect of human nature is to be intentionally blind. Now, you don't need to believe in the same god, but let's not play the fool and pretend that there's nothing beyond our perception and control.

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    Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    So does the doctrine of self defense.
    False

    And abortion.
    True

    And the rule that you are generally not required to risk your life to save someone else.
    False

    Eating meat?

    True

    I personally don't think there is anything immoral or irrational about concluding that a person who murders many others in cold blood, who admits it, and who is proven guilty by incontrovertible evidence, forfeits his right to life.
    Killing helpless, harmless people is wrong. It's not self defense. They're captives.

    If the government can kill captives for their reasons, then so can I - that's the rationalization you're providing; doing so is immoral and irrational.
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    Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    False
    Why is self defense not a justification for murder? Literally, in some states, it is characterized as exactly that.

    If the government can kill captives for their reasons, then so can I - that's the rationalization you're providing; doing so is immoral and irrational.
    No it's not. The government cannot kill captives "for their reasons." They can impose the dealth penalty according to a law passed through the political process, including the checks and balances, examination and reflection, that that system provides. And then only when the person has been found guilty through the criminal process by a jury trial, presentation of evidence, with the right to an attorney, and so on and so forth.

    It is in no way the same as you killing a captive "for [your own personal] reasons," which would illegal, and far more likely to also be immoral.
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    Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    Why is self defense not a justification for murder? Literally, in some states, it is characterized as exactly that.
    Self defense is not murder. Your lack of understanding (or partisan BS) is irrelevant.

    No it's not. The government cannot kill captives "for their reasons."
    They (we) can and do.

    It is in no way the same as you killing a captive "for [your own personal] reasons,"
    Of course it is.

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    Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Self defense is not murder. Your lack of understanding (or partisan BS) is irrelevant.
    What is your definition of murder?

    They (we) can and do.
    Examples?

    Of course it is.
    How so?

    In general, do you wish to debate, or just lazily respond "you're wrong"?
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    Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    What is your definition of murder?
    You don't know? And you can't see how self defense is different?

    Sad.

    Examples?
    Any capital punishment.

    How so?
    Killing a helpless captive is killing a helpless captive.

    In general, do you wish to debate, or just lazily respond "you're wrong"?
    Don't be so self centered. People are not obligated to explain everything to you.

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    Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You don't know? And you can't see how self defense is different?
    I see how it is different from killing someone in cold blood when they have done nothing wrong. But imposing the death penalty is not killing someone in cold blood when they have done nothing wrong.

    That's why I asked you for your definition of murder, which apparently you do not want to give because it would probably harm the point you're trying to make.

    Any capital punishment.
    That is not "for their reasons." As already explained, it is for one specific reason permitted by law and triggered by a verdict of the community after providing a plethora of protections for the accused.

    Killing a helpless captive is killing a helpless captive.
    But killing a person who committed a crime punishable by death after a jury trial is not the same as you killing a person for your own reasons.

    Don't be so self centered. People are not obligated to explain everything to you.
    Don't be so arrogant. Your points are not nearly as solid as you think they are.
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    Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

    Keep killing those helpless captives, you and AlQ.

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    Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The Bible is not a waste of time. I've had many important lessons illustrated. It helps me to improve on the things that I often falter regarding. And perhaps most importantly, it serves as an excellent communication tool with others. (I'm atheist)

    When the Bible says that a fool says there is no God, what does this mean? Well, one meaning is that all of us have metaphysical ideas. You know, that there could be something beyond our perception and control. When someone, despite this experience, refuses to consider or discuss the metaphysical, they are a fool. They are ignoring, despite knowledge and experience, to learn and interact with others in such a way. Refusing to acknowledge an innate aspect of human nature is to be intentionally blind. Now, you don't need to believe in the same god, but let's not play the fool and pretend that there's nothing beyond our perception and control.
    God is quite separate from religion. Religious leaders only attempt to discern what God wants, and do it as though they have spent some time on God's knee.

    Nonetheless, there is still a good case for religion. At a time when there was little or no police, religion was the best way to instruct morals and good social behavior, with the fear of Hell substituting for the threat of 20 years in the lock-up

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    Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yup and lots of people are realizing what an absurd waste of time it is.
    Reading a book that profoundly effected the whole of western civilization is hardly a waste of time. If that is the case, all books would be a waste of time.

    That's why 100,000 people walked away from the Baptist church last year alone. It's why the Catholics are hemorrhaging members left and right worldwide.
    That does not mean they are walking away from God, nor that their holiday is permanent.

    It's why no belief is the fastest growing demographic.
    Then people will simply substitute another belief, usually in left wing politics.

    The Bible may be one of the most purchased books around but it's also one of the least read and certainly, the least understood.
    The New Testament is really not that difficult, but you wouldn't know that.

    But sure, keep believing in primitive bronze-age nonsense. It's your prerogative, after all.
    Great words of wisdom have been passed down through the centuries and form the basis of our liberty and democracy today. There is more to literature, philosophy and wisdom than the fashions of the present.

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