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    Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Sure, like a person that blames inanimate objects, such as religion (or guns), for harm in the world. It's crazy, no doubt.
    Are you totally unaware that our beliefs inform our actions? Apparently so.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It provides justification for the rationalization of murder.



    Let's not play dumb. When discussing deterrence, we are addressing murder in society (not recidivism). Of course, a life sentence cannot commit additional crimes in society.
    But they can commit crimes in prison. And have exactly nothing left to lose in doing so. Prison is just another way of life and different society. For some people, it is an improvement on their life and not a punishment at all, but a reward.

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    Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Htf can you say "no". These are FACTS:

    (1) The death penalty does not deter crime, overwhelming statistical evidence establishes this beyond any question.
    (2) The death penalty provides justification for the rationalization of murder, thereby encouraging murder.

    Now that your meek little "no" has been smashed like a bug, let's move on to the BS spewed after... The death penalty costs MORE than a life sentence. So spare us the "removes the burden from society".


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    Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. Gen 9:6

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    Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Maybe the thing to do is create greater martyrdom until the desire to be a martyr begins to fade. They're probably running low on virgins already.
    Despite the slogans, I believe he is more a martyr alive in prison. Dead people generally are forgotten quickly, especially when they were nobody to begin with.

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    Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Some people would call THAT cruel and unusual punishment even though construction workers do this kind of stuff every day. God forbid we make them work for their meals. That's just so mean.
    How do you MAKE someone with a life sentence without parole do anything? Beat him? Starve him?

    It is a common theme that the same people who sob over the death penalty even for someone known for absolute certain did what he did - then turn around and advocate torturous confinement as their alternative.

    He cannot be forced to work. Solitary confinement is one of the worst forms of torture, and under the Constitution he can not be beaten or starved. While he can be rewarded for working, he cannot be punished for not working. And all along the way, year after year, decade after decades, good people are having to go to work to pay for him, his housing, endless legal fees of his lawyers, his food, his medical care - everything - as he gets to be in prison a martyr-hero to himself and his "God."

    It'd make more sense - and be cheaper - to just give him $500,000, a ticket out of the country and have a banishment order. As long as he is in prison, he is still among us, because some of us will be in prison with him, as will guards and others. And, like Hitler, he can write his manifesto plus preach his message to others there.

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    Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. Gen 9:6
    Who cares what an idiotic book of bronze age mythology says? This is a nation with a secular government, we don't pay attention to religious stupidity.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    But they can commit crimes in prison.
    Against lawful society? Not really.


    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. Gen 9:6
    Exodus 20:13 KJV - Thou shalt not kill. - Bible Gateway


    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Are you totally unaware that our beliefs inform our actions? Apparently so.
    Yes, I have no idea what causes us to do anything. I'm a 42 year old, ex-military, world traveled, tertiary educated, still in total compliance.

    You can't just throw complete BS at a counter that destroyed the hate of an object. You want to argue that sometimes religion 'causes' bad things? That's as stupid as claiming that it does any good. Religion is inanimate, holding no power and merely a creation. Worshiping religion, as a pro or antagonist, is bordering on mindless.

    The suppression of metaphysical expression is low class and authoritarian.

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    re: Hasan has been sentenced to Death [W:198,239]

    If he wants to die, hang him. If he wants to live, he can appeal the sentence. Bottom line though - nobody will remember this guy a week after he is gone. I don't even remember the last time I heard / overheard a conversation about Bin Laden. Bad guys die and the earth keeps revolving around the sun. I don't think we should ever keep a bad guy alive because we are afraid of muslim repercussions. And from a financial perspective, I am for the death penalty for murder or rape. I am more of a Deist than anything else so I don't feel any religious obligation to keep a murderer or rapist alive to save my own soul.

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    Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. Gen 9:6
    That stuff was written by goat herders 3,500 years ago. I am pretty sure those dead Hebrew goat herders don't care what we do to bad guys 3,500 years later. They only wrote that stuff to define morality for each other back when they were alive.

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    re: Hasan has been sentenced to Death [W:198,239]

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    And from a financial perspective, I am for the death penalty for murder or rape.
    Utopian BS.

    I am more of a Deist than anything else so I don't feel any religious obligation to keep a murderer or rapist alive to save my own soul.
    A deity having lost interest is a reason for ignoring His morals?

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