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    Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Rope is reusable, electricity, bullets and toxins are not very expensive. What is expensive is the never ending appeals process added to keep the DP very, very rarely actually used.
    So your answer is a fantasy land? Why not just become a commie.

    To assert that a sentence for first degree murder that used for less than 2% of all first degree murder convictions is "not a deterent" ignores this indisputable fact: not one person ever executed has committed another crime after the death sentence was carried out.
    Neither has someone serving a life sentence, except inmates. That's extremely rare for close custody inmates and occurs among the worst offenders. You can't use crime involving cc inmates as a negative, because they'd be dead if it were up to you and that's certainly worse.

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    Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    That makes him a traitor, not a terrorist. The troops being unarmed makes it a war crime.
    Did you miss this post, wherein I quoted your INCORRECT statement:

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Read carefully:

    He targeted civilians.
    Read it carefully, and then look up the definition of "target". If you accomplish those two things, you might stop presenting an embarrassingly ignorant and false argument.

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    Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I don't care what a dictionary says. Shooting enemy soldiers in a war doesn't count as terrorism. We're still calling this a war, right?

    Because, hey, by your definition I'm pretty sure our soldiers count as terrorists. We were certainly coercing or intimidating Saddam Hussein's regime out of power through violence and threats of violence. Oh, but that's "lawful" because we said it was?

    Exchanging email with a terrorist doesn't make you a terrorist. Mowing Osama Bin Laden's lawn doesn't make you a terrorist. Committing an act of terror makes you a terrorist, and shooting soldiers doesn't fit the bill.
    He cannot claim foreign or opposing soldier status in terms of "killing enemy soldiers" as he was not wearing an opposing uniform. In your logic of "killing enemy soldiers" then he falls into the category of being a spy and spys are shot.

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    Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So it's not a deterrent and it encourages murder.
    How does the death penalty encourage murder?

    It is a deterrent to him harming anyone again and deterrence isn't the sole goal of a sentence.

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    Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    Wrap him in bacon and drop him in the ocean.
    Why do you hate pigs and fish?
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    Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    How does the death penalty encourage murder?
    It provides justification for the rationalization of murder.

    It is a deterrent to him harming anyone again and deterrence isn't the sole goal of a sentence.
    Let's not play dumb. When discussing deterrence, we are addressing murder in society (not recidivism). Of course, a life sentence cannot commit additional crimes in society.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 08-29-13 at 02:01 PM.

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    Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Well they are certainly involving themselves in the affairs of the democracies. Would you like to see an end to Muslim immigration?
    The important thing to remember is that there are plenty of Muslims in the world who are more mainstream. I had a husband and wife Muslim couple as neighbors once. They BOTH went to work every day, they kept to themselves and, although I never really had more than casual pleasantries with them, they seemed to be nice people.

    So no, I wouldn't put an end to Muslim immigration. I understand that extremism is rampant in this particular religion more so than others, but usually the extremists come from directly from the most poor and uneducated parts of the Middle East.

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    Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Maybe the thing to do is create greater martyrdom until the desire to be a martyr begins to fade. They're probably running low on virgins already.
    Some realistic ideas might be nice Grant.

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    Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There are people born every day who love their freedom as well.
    I'm aware of that. Point being?

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    Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Including atheists and agnostics too, I suppose.
    Sure, but not for the same reasons. People are people, some people are just hampered by really stupid, irrational beliefs.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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