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    Re: Crowds gather for March on Washington 50th anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    You're welcome...
    Why wasn't he invited to speak? Was it because he wouldn't liken the SCOTUS to the KKK?
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    Re: Crowds gather for March on Washington 50th anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I've followed this thread for the last two days now and it's apparant there remains a deep seeded anger, if not hatred, of Blacks in America by some. They mask their hatred or distain for Blacks behind such rhetoric as "Why are you folks still voting for Democrats who at first dispised you but throughout the party's history has done little to truly lift you up," but then oh, so "honorably" remind us of how life would have been...could have been...could be...if all we as a people did was vote Republican. After all, Lincoln did free the slaves...indirectly....by forcing the hands of Democratis and Whig slave owners to go to war to preserve an industry, if not a way of life, for free labor that was slavery and by its very nature forced survitude.

    People who are strongly "opinionated" like P. Kersey, for example, will have you believe is crap like this...



    I could go on and on highlighting and pointing out everything that's so wrong with his statement, but it wouldn't matter. To him, much was given unto a people and much was squandered by "those people". It's truly a shame that people who believe as he does will hide behind such twisted rhetorica facts all the while completely ignoring the abridgements of a people through state and local ordinances not to mention the ostrisizing that took places in all facets of national society that further complicated the attempts by Blacks to further themselves in property rights, voting rights, access to equal if not adequate education, employment opportunities, legal counsel if not the very inability for many Blacks event to this day to receive a fair trial. The ignorance is so staggering to me!! Just look at the commentary about the former Alabama Governor, George Wallace, being lifted up as if he were some patriant saint. Yet it was only a mere 50 years ago when White men of prominence who believed as he did, that Blacks in America would never accend to levels of social, economic, or political prominence as the White man. And, thus, they should "stay in their place". Or worse yet, "go back to where they came from". All the while completely ignoring this one simple fact:

    HERE is where the vast majority of African Americans - Black Americans - Negros - came from, BORN TO THIS SOIL, same as many of you today.

    I get so angry over the stupidity, the blind hatred steeped not in truth nor reality, but just plain mean spirited. Why? After all, despite much so-called "charity" being "given" to Blacks over the years in attempts to both make up for much of the injustices committed but also to try and uplift a people, people who harbor such hate use code words like "slums" and "ghettos" to further spread their hate. I would ask such people, "Have you ever gone to a surburban Black community," where there are actually one- and two-story brick or wood framed homes? Areas where Black people are very proud of their land and the property onwhich such stands? Not ever Black man lives in the projects. Not ever community Black people reside in are run town tennament slums or ghettos such as what you may envisions whenever you watch shows like "Good Times".

    There are many Black people - and I include myself in this - who want better, who DO better, who want to see our fellow Blacks move up in all facets of social and economic levels. Constrary to what some may think, NO WHITE MAN HAS EVER GIVEN ME ANYTHING THAT I DIDN'T SO RICHLY DESERVE OR EARN. So, I take great offense to the tenor of such vile language as quoted above because it is so deeply rooted in hatred and bigotry all the while given subtifuge of "fact". BULL!!!

    Get outside of your comfortable walls of White privilege and learn the truth about why there are still difficulties for Black Americans to climb that social ladder of equality. Yes, federal laws and federal programs may be directed at trying to "level the playing field" and give more and more Blacks opportunities to better themselves, but it's at the state and local levels where such inequitable efforts truly reside. And if you doubt me, I challenge you to review the history behind some of your city ordinances and/or state laws and provide proof that such GAVE rights to Blacks immediately after passage of the Civil Rights law WITHOUT taking some privilages away that White citizens freely enjoyed without having to overcome prejudicial obstacles, such as lawns can only be so high, trash could only be collected on specific days at specific times only to discover that trash collection routes were changed or equipment broke down and repairs were delayed. There are so many other such examples of inequility, bigotry or down right meaness I could quote, but it really wouldn't matter. For to some, "get over it" would be their only answer to difficult problems. Or how about this one: "stop playing the victim".

    Frankly, I don't consider myself as ever having been victimized. But I have been denied certain rights based on the color of my skin and when such things did happen I fought back against it. But I've never complained here to you folks about my personal afflications on racial grounds. However, what I have tried to do was make people aware that racism - on both sides - hasn't gone away just yet. And it should. What I have tried to do is explain to people that despite winning some battles on racial equality on the federal level, local laws have attempted to hold a people back. And when those who did not approval of allowing Blacks a chance to succeed, to intergrat, to better themselves didn't find it proper to adhere to the law such men took the law into their own hands in many vile ways. There's no ignoring such facts.

    America has a very dark history on race relations. The only way we AS A UNITED SOCIETY OF PEOPLE fix it is to stop trying to tear each other down laying blame, for example, as if YOUR TAX DOLLARS alone are being misused, abuse or otherwise wasted by me or others like me. You're not the only one paying into that pot called the U.S. Treasury. We all do. And like you, I dislike laziness, greed, misuse and abuse all the same. But you don't see me going around verbally basing every White person I encounter whose on Medicaid, WIC, TNIF, unemployment or who lives in a HUD house, receives an Obama-phone (a program that existed long before he came into office, BTW) or who had a mortgage loan they couldn't afford (it wasn't just a Black person w/a $90,000 home that caused the problem. Look at those White folks in Vegas or the rich senior citizen, entertainer or investor who purchased a home in FL then get back to me).

    You guys really do need to check the premise of your hate.
    Hey..glad to see you again.
    Want to take up where we left off? I'd like your opinion on posts 261/262 on the thread "Whites are the only group that you can discriminate against legally in this country".

    I answered your post but unfortunately I think you missed my reply. I think it was an excellent discussion we were having.

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    Re: Crowds gather for March on Washington 50th anniversary

    Oh, and BTW, Lincoln wasn't a racist. He deplored slavery having been a victim of forced labor himself. However, he didn't believe that the Negro would ever ascend to the same levels of social acceptance or economic prosperity as Whites given the social conditions and cultural beliefs and/or behaviors of the time. That didn't make him a racist. It simply meant that he was keenly aware that the Black man would struggle to thrive in America in his view. So, he sought to have a colony developed in Africa - where most American slaves came from - considering that many prominate Negros were voicing a call to "have a place of their own" (initial calls were for Western territory in America). But such efforts never gained tractions. Why? Because most free slaves called America home and knew nothing about Africa other than the stories they here passed down through the generations or from other African slaves.

    Lincoln was a Separatist. And for his time, I can certainly understand why he held such views. One more thing: Lincoln really didn't free the slaves. Negros fought and won their freedom. The Emancipation Proclimation only adhered to that grand bargain from Lincoln that said, (paraphrasing) "If you fight for freedom on my side and we win, you would have earned your right to be free."

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    Re: Crowds gather for March on Washington 50th anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Oh, and BTW, Lincoln wasn't a racist. He deplored slavery having been a victim of forced labor himself. However, he didn't believe that the Negro would ever ascend to the same levels of social acceptance or economic prosperity as Whites given the social conditions and cultural beliefs and/or behaviors of the time. That didn't make him a racist. It simply meant that he was keenly aware that the Black man would struggle to thrive in America in his view. So, he sought to have a colony developed in Africa - where most American slaves came from - considering that many prominate Negros were voicing a call to "have a place of their own" (initial calls were for Western territory in America). But such efforts never gained tractions. Why? Because most free slaves called America home and knew nothing about Africa other than the stories they here passed down through the generations or from other African slaves.

    Lincoln was a Separatist. And for his time, I can certainly understand why he held such views. One more thing: Lincoln really didn't free the slaves. Negros fought and won their freedom. The Emancipation Proclimation only adhered to that grand bargain from Lincoln that said, (paraphrasing) "If you fight for freedom on my side and we win, you would have earned your right to be free."

    Nuff Said
    I'd still like your opinion on posts 261/262 on the thread "Whites are the only group that you can discriminate against legally in this country". It was such a good discussion I hate to see it abandoned.


    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    One more thing: Lincoln really didn't free the slaves. Negros fought and won their freedom. The Emancipation Proclimation only adhered to that grand bargain from Lincoln that said, (paraphrasing) "If you fight for freedom on my side and we win, you would have earned your right to be free."
    I don't see that anywhere in the EP..Cite the paragraph for me? Better yet link to it.

    lincoln didn't free any slaves anyway. He couldn't have cared less about the slaves. He said so himself.
    He had no authority in the south to do any such thing.The south was a sovereign country and had seceded...nor could he do it (legally) in the north, actually.

    Slavery was a legal practice and the executive branch doesn't supersede the judicial and legislative branches just to bypass laws they "don't like".
    That's why we have 3 branches;so megalomaniacs can't take unilateral control.

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    Re: Crowds gather for March on Washington 50th anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    King explained his own extramarital affairs as "a form of anxiety reduction".
    For that inspired excuse alone he deserves his own day.

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    Re: Crowds gather for March on Washington 50th anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    He associated with many known communists, was an adulterer and a plagiarist.
    If he REALLY wanted a colorblind society he would have advocated for people advancing solely based on their abilities...and no preferences for skin color...

    from the revisionist source wiki..and you know how they hate having to say unflattering things (the truth) about negroes.



    He was a confirmed adulterer; His friend Ralph Abernathy acknowledged he "had a weakness for women". King explained his own extramarital affairs as "a form of anxiety reduction".
    The FBI even had audio tapes of him recorded during extramarital trysts.Judge John Lewis Smith, Jr. in 1977 ordered that all known copies of the recorded audiotapes and written transcripts resulting from the FBI's electronic surveillance of King between 1963 and 1968 to be held in the National Archives and sealed from public access until 2027.

    The Bureau received authorization to proceed with wiretapping from Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy in the fall of 1963[188] and informed President John F. Kennedy, both of whom unsuccessfully tried to persuade King to dissociate himself from Stanley Levison, a New York lawyer who had been involved with Communist Party USA.[189][190] Although Robert Kennedy only gave written approval for limited wiretapping of King's phones "on a trial basis, for a month or so",[191] Hoover extended the clearance so his men were "unshackled" to look for evidence in any areas of King's life they deemed worthy.[192] The Bureau placed wiretaps on Levison's and King's home and office phones, and bugged King's rooms in hotels as he traveled across the country.[189][193] In 1967, Hoover listed the SCLC as a black nationalist hate group, with the instructions: "No opportunity should be missed to exploit through counterintelligence techniques the organizational and personal conflicts of the leaderships of the groups ... to insure the targeted group is disrupted, ridiculed, or discredited."


    He had known, proven communist ties; among them close associates Hunter Pitts Odell and Stanley Levison....

    The Southern Christian Leadership Conference, formed in 1957 and led by Dr. King, also had as its vice president Rev. Fred Shuttlesworth who was at the same time president of the Southern Conference Education Fund, an identified communist front.

    King maintained correspondence with Carl Braden (communist, sentenced to 15 years’ imprisonment for sedition)
    Anne Braden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Also on the board of SCLC was Bayard Rustin (member of the Young Communist League)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayard_Rust…

    In 1957, King addressed the Highlander Folk School in Monteagle, Tenn. which was originally called Commonwealth College until it was sited by the House Committee on un-American Activities as being a communist front
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealt…

    In 1960, King hired Hunter Pitts O’Dell (member of the Communist Party U.S.A ), to work at SCLC.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Pitt…

    According to the St Louis Globe Democrat (Oct. 26, 1962) “A Communist has infiltrated the top administrative post in the Rev. Martin Luther King’s SCLC"
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    He plagiarized his doctoral thesis and other writings;

    Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s papers were donated by his wife Coretta Scott King to Stanford University's King Papers Project. During the late 1980s, as the papers were being organized and catalogued, the staff of the project discovered that King's doctoral dissertation at Boston University, titled A Comparison of the Conception of God in the Thinking of Paul Tillich and Henry Nelson Wieman, included large sections from a dissertation written by another student (Jack Boozer) three years earlier at Boston University.[1][2]

    As Clayborne Carson, director of the King Papers Project at Stanford University, has written, "instances of textual appropriation can be seen in his earliest extant writings as well as his dissertation. The pattern is also noticeable in his speeches and sermons throughout his career."[3]

    Boston University, where King received his Ph.D. in systematic theology, conducted an investigation that found he plagiarized major portions of his doctoral thesis from various other authors who wrote about the topic.[4][5]

    According to civil rights historian Ralph E. Luker, who worked on the King Papers Project directing the research on King's early life, King's paper The Chief Characteristics and Doctrines of Mahayana Buddhism[6] was taken almost entirely from secondary sources.[7] He writes:

    Moreover, the farther King went in his academic career, the more deeply ingrained the patterns of borrowing language without clear attribution became. Thus, the plagiarism in his dissertation seemed to be, by then, the product of his long-established practice.[7]

    The incident was first reported in the December 3, 1989 edition of the Sunday Telegraph by Frank Johnson, titled "Martin Luther King—Was He a Plagiarist?" The incident was then reported in U.S. in the November 9, 1990 edition of the Wall Street Journal, under the title of "To Their Dismay, King Scholars Find a Troubling Pattern." Several other newspapers then followed with stories, including the Boston Globe and the New York Times. Numerous newspaper editorials defended King, saying he was still a great man regardless of his academic fraud.[citation needed]

    Boston University decided not to revoke his doctorate, saying that although King acted improperly, his dissertation still "makes an intelligent contribution to scholarship." However, a letter is now attached to King's dissertation in the university library, noting that numerous passages were included without the appropriate quotations and citations of sources.[1][8][9]


    ....and his birth name was "Michael", not Martin Luther..His father just decided to change his sons name...I guess that's ok...whatever...



    Your posts show such hatred. That is sad....As I have said before, nobody has said Dr. King was perfect... Many people were accused of being communist and just because he knew some means nothing.. Even communists were for civil rights.. Using the outdated and repugnant term of Negro has not escaped my attention either... What is important and what matters is the legacy that he left behind--nonviolent civil disobedience--which resulted in the Laws that we have today..

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    Re: Crowds gather for March on Washington 50th anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    He'd be viewed the same as Bill Cosby or Clarence Thomas are today. Those gentlemen are far more in alignment with Dr. King than the Jesse/Sharpton/Farrakhan posse of today.


    No way--not in a million years could he be compared to the likes of a Clarence Thomas... Bill Cosby has worked for civil rights in his own way for many years... No one has said that he would be in alignment with any of the civil rights so called activists of today...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    No way--not in a million years could he be compared to the likes of a Clarence Thomas...
    What's that supposed to mean, nah, forget it, don't answer that....We all know the contempt that progressives hold for successful black men that aren't on the liberal progressive plantation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Your posts show such hatred. That is sad....As I have said before, nobody has said Dr. King was perfect... Many people were accused of being communist and just because he knew some means nothing.. Even communists were for civil rights.. Using the outdated and repugnant term of Negro has not escaped my attention either... What is important and what matters is the legacy that he left behind--nonviolent civil disobedience--which resulted in the Laws that we have today..
    What?

    That was all from wiki...go tell them they are "hateful". The truth exists irregardless of your belief or what you wish for.

    To some, I suppose, anyone who tells the truth is "racist", "sexist", "biased", or "unfair", because truth can be very brutal and doesn't play favorites.

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    Re: Crowds gather for March on Washington 50th anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    No way--not in a million years could he be compared to the likes of a Clarence Thomas... Bill Cosby has worked for civil rights in his own way for many years... No one has said that he would be in alignment with any of the civil rights so called activists of today...
    That reminds me of a great article by Dr. William Henry Cosby, Jr., Ed.D. (Bill)

    'They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk...


    Why you ain't

    Where you is

    What he drive

    Where he stay

    Where he work

    Who you be...

    And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk.

    And then I heard the father talk.

    Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth.

    In fact, you will never get any kind of job making a decent living. People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around.

    The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal.

    These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids. $500 sneakers for what??

    And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.

    I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit.

    Where were you when he was 2??

    Where were you when he was 12??

    Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol??

    And where is the father?? Or, who is his father?

    People putting their clothes on backward, isn't that a sign of something gone wrong?

    People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something?

    Or, are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up?

    Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body?

    What part of Africa did this come from??

    We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans. They don't know a thing about Africa .
    With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap, and all of them are in jail.

    Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem.

    We have got to take the neighborhood back.

    People used to be ashamed. Today, a woman has eight children with eight different 'husbands' -- or men or whatever you call them now.

    We have millionaire football players who cannot read.

    We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs.

    We, as black folks have to do a better job. Someone working at Wal- Mart with seven kids... you are hurting us.

    We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.

    We cannot blame the white people any longer.



    I guess you think he's "hateful", too.... for telling the truth....

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