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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I think this move by the UK was just to buy time to get everything in order before they go forward with any kind of strike.

    Are you salivating for a strike. For the US, a legal strike requires a consensus at the UN and congressional approval at home. Anything short of that will be another belligerent action.

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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    When you go through the proper channels and your told NO. then missiles don't fly. Otherwise, what is the use of going through the proper channels?
    Public opinion. This is the game that Obama plays, on the world stage as well as at home. As long as Obama claims to be "doing the right thing" his fan base is fine with doing "unprecedented" things. Whether it is "dreamy" immigration law reform or blowing up things/people in foreign nations you can do it as POTUS because nobody will stop you. Money flows and flags wave.

    Is it not odd that you hear basically one of two things: Obama should have acted 30 months ago before simply watching 100K deaths in Syria or that we should not get involved in the mess that is now likely to leave Syria in the control of radical Islamists. Obama knows that once the missiles start to fly that there is no turning back and even his critics will wave the flag and praise the "fine job" that our military is doing to "restore order to the region". Never mind that Libya and Iraq are messes after they were "saved" orby the USA or that a military coup has actually occured in Egypt.

    Rest assured that Obama will use this new "mini war" to explain why he needs the "patriotic" support of all of the American people to raise the debt "ceiling" (which is really now only the debt floor) to some absurd level (enough to last until after the 2014 elections?) and that we must put aside our partisan differences to let him simply do as he pleases. After all, he is the Nobel Peace Prize guy, so starting another foreign military campaign is cool even with the code pink folks.
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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    But when the "evidence" is trumped up, why would they be obliged to accept it. If your not going to accept the results at the UN, then why does it exist. (Its rhetorical)
    if the UN are allowed to carry out their inspections without interference then I'm sure we will, don't see that happening however.
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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Wait a minute. Cameron is suggesting that the council hasn't lived up to its responsibilities in Syria, meaning Russia and Chinas vetoes on sanctions and use of force are irresponsible. It seems to me they think the west is acting irresponsible. And the resolution will include a condemnation of "Assad's chemical attack", the UN hasn't confirmed that, and there's far more evidence that the al Qaida affiliated insurgents launched the chemical attacks. I seriously doubt the Russians and the Chinese are going to accept this.
    Heya Monte.....that's because Cameron is following the French on this and what they stated in 2003. As you mentioned to me before that it was under Chiroc.

    West vows action in Syria with no details

    French President Francois Hollande says the country is ready to punish those who “took the despicable decision to gas the innocent,” while British Prime Minister David Cameron says that any military action against Syria must not entail being dragged into a wider Middle East conflict. Deborah Lutterbeck reports.....snip~

    West vows action in Syria with no details - Watch List News

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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Oh Yeh! We'll kill a bunch of Syrians to stop the killing of Syrians. I can see that Syria is as big a threat to the USA as Saddam Hussein, even in his current state.
    No good can come from attacking Syria. This stupid show of force won't change anybody's mind about continuing the civil war. It is actually embarrassing for me to see the U.S. acting this way.

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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    According to your link, the Syrian government is denying any chemical attacks and blames the rebels. That's entirely possible, in my opinion. Nothing is as it seems.

    It's much more than possible, it's very likely. But never mind, everybody get back, we're coming in.

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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    BBC News - Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution



    Hold onto your hats because it looks like this is going to happen. Hopefully if they move on this they do it fast.
    Russia and/or China will veto any such resolutions. The UK and others leading the effort for a military response against Syria are hoping for majority of Security Council support, even as a veto by any of the permanent members technically means that the resolution wasn't adopted.

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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    if the UN are allowed to carry out their inspections without interference then I'm sure we will, don't see that happening however.

    Of course you don't. Assad welcomed the UN inspectors, eager to prove he didn't use chemical weapons. But when they arrived, the rebel snipers opened fire on the caravan forcing a retreat. WHO is it that has something to hide?

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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    You don't expect either Russia or China to veto?
    Mornin Serenity. Yes the Russians have already told both the UK and us that China and they will veto. So Cameron is looking to go round with what the French said.

    Western leaders mull military response in Syria



    Western leaders are discussing whether to stage a military response to last week's alleged chemical weapons attack in Syria. France and Germany, which refused to support the 2003 Iraq invasion, suggested Monday they may take part. Russia said any such intervention would violate international law.

    UNITED STATES
    Secretary of State John Kerry says chemical weapons were used in Syria, accuses President Bashar Assad of destroying evidence, and says the U.S. has additional information about the attack and will soon make it public. Kerry calls the attack a "moral obscenity" that should shock the conscience of the world.

    FRANCE
    Hollande spoke with President Barack Obama on Sunday and told him France, like Britain, would support him in a targeted military intervention, according to the paper.

    RUSSIA
    Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov says Western nations calling for military action against Syria have no proof the regime is behind the alleged attack.
    They cannot produce evidence, but keep on saying that the 'red line' has been crossed and they cannot wait any longer," he said at a Moscow news conference.
    Lavrov likened the situation in Syria to the run-up before the 2003 Iraq invasion. He warned against military intervention in Syria, saying "the use of force without a sanction of the U.N. Security Council is a crude violation of international law."


    TURKEY
    Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu says his country would take part in an international coalition against Syrian President Bashar Assad's regime if the U.N. failed to come up with sanctions to punish Syria for the alleged use of chemical weapons.

    EUROPEAN UNION
    EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton says a decision about military intervention in Syria hasn't been made yet and the support of the U.N. Security Council for any such action remains "extremely important."

    ISRAEL
    President Shimon Peres calls on the U.N. to appoint the Arab League to set up a temporary government in Syria to stop the bloodshed......snip~

    Western leaders mull military response in Syria

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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And that's an acknowledgement that the US/UK are playing from the bottom of the deck. And, if you don't want to play by the UN rules, you have to FIRST resign your membership.
    It's not an acknowledgement in anything I typed out.
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