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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    A majority? Yes. There are up to 40 member organisations of the Syrian opposition.



    God your hatred knows no bounds. First off most of those resolutions were in relation to UN peacekeeping or interventions that were already going on.

    Secondly yes France has been at the forefront of asking for action, I have never denied this, and it is no wonder considering Syria is a former colony. But so what? Are you pissed that it is not the US leading the charge from the start? That Obama is weak? That people dont trust the US because Iraq? Deal with it.


    No.....I am not pist because the US isn't leading. I am pist because the US didn't tell France to STFU and Deal with any Conflict themselves. Without US assistance. Without using our **** and without getting our people killed for the adventures.

    So you deny that the Majority are made up of Terrorists.....oh well, hate to burst that one open. Although not really.

    Syrian rebels defy US and pledge allegiance to jihadi group
    Rebel groups across Syria are defying the United States by pledging their allegiance to a group that Washington will designate today a terrorist organization for its alleged links to al-Qaeda
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    A total of 29 opposition groups, including fighting "brigades" and civilian committees, have signed a petition calling for mass demonstrations in support of Jabhat al-Nusra, an Islamist group which the White House believes is an offshoot of al-Qaeda in Iraq.

    The petition is promoting the slogan "No to American intervention, for we are all Jabhat al-Nusra" and urges supporters to "raise the Jabhat al-Nusra flag" as a "thank you".

    "These are the men for the people of Syria, these are the heroes who belong to us in religion, in blood and in revolution," read a statement widely circulated on Syrian opposition Facebook pages.

    Although Jabhat al-Nusra remains separate from the Free Syrian Army, many FSA leaders now recognise its strength and order their forces to cooperate with it.

    Even mainstream opposition activists expressed anger at what they claimed was America's last-minute attempt to "muscle in on their revolution".

    EU leaders including William Hague, the Foreign Secretary, met the heads of the coalition in Brussels yesterday, having already recognised it as "the legitimate representative of the aspirations of the Syrian people".

    Opposition fighters inside Syria told The Daily Telegraph that the US announcement was too little too late, and that any attempts by the West to intervene in Syria would be rejected. "We don't support the new FSA military command," said Ous al-Arabi, a spokesman of the Deir al-Zour Revolutionary council.....snip~

    Syrian rebels defy US and pledge allegiance to jihadi group - Telegraph



    You were saying something about numbers now.....Right? Think we have exact total of all these Groups? Think we know who is behind this Council yet?

    Deir al-Zour Revolutionary council. <<<<< This one?

    From your own total of 40.....that only gives the FSA 11 opposition groups. Oh and the MB is releasing another inside Syria too. So make that 30 for the Terrorists.

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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Its a list, nothing more. Are you seriously saying that the list is lying? That the Coalition of Secular and Democratic Syrians is not part of the opposition? That the Syrin Democratic Peoples Party is not? Or any of the other names on the lists?
    I'm saying that the original peaceful protests in Syria nearly three years ago were hijacked. Western interests have wanted regime change for years and they have been running CIA training camps in Jordan and elsewhere, training and arming the jihadists that have been committing crimes against civilians across the country.

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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm saying that the original peaceful protests in Syria nearly three years ago were hijacked. Western interests have wanted regime change for years and they have been running CIA training camps in Jordan and elsewhere, training and arming the jihadists that have been committing crimes against civilians across the country.
    So there was a legitimate secular uprising but the American preference was a Jihadi one which they've been training for years to steal it from the secularists?

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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    So there was a legitimate secular uprising but the American preference was a Jihadi one which they've been training for years to steal it from the secularists?
    That makes no sense.

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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    No.....I am not pist because the US isn't leading. I am pist because the US didn't tell France to STFU and Deal with any Conflict themselves. Without US assistance. Without using our **** and without getting our people killed for the adventures.
    Who said anything about Americans being put in harms way? You're just pissed because X-Box games might cost an extra dollar?

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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    You mean the Americans will work from the safety of the 10th floor of the CIA building in Florida with their command screen remotely piloting a drone dropping their ordinance while eating a Twinkie and sipping coffee.

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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Who said anything about Americans being put in harms way? You're just pissed because X-Box games might cost an extra dollar?
    "Say what" little younger brutha" ......did your Local TV guide remind you of the Ships that we just put there. Assad has cruise missiles. They are in range. Unless you can use your Play-station Controller and move them out.

    But do and try and keep up little younger brutha. Now go make me a sammich and get me some coffee.

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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Assad has cruise missiles. They are in range.
    hahaha

    Ok, just for fun, let's see your source.

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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    hahaha

    Ok, just for fun, let's see your source.
    NP Now lets laugh together.

    In fact, Assad’s boast might be more than bluster. While there’s no sign that Moscow has delivered the long-range S-300 missiles that Israel has vowed to take out in bombing strikes (Russian officials estimate their earliest delivery date for the S-300s is late this year), Assad already has several air-defense systems from Moscow in his quiver, according to analysts who monitor arms shipments. In interviews they say they watched a steep military ramp-up by Syria in the period running up to the start of the war more than two years ago. While they agree that the S-300s are more accurate and have greater range than Assad’s current weapons systems, they say the Syrian leader is far from powerless without them. “We have seen over the past few years Russia supplying several different air-defense systems,” says Pieter Wezeman, senior researcher in the arms-transfer program of the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, which tracks weapons flows worldwide. “They [Syrian government] have really increased their capability. The missiles are both short and long range. If the S-300s do arrive, that would top it all off.”

    Among the missiles already in place are two regiments of S-200 surface-to-air missiles, which have a range of about 150 miles, “with no less than 240 missiles ready to be fired in a matter of minutes,” says Igor Sutyagin, a Russian military scientist and senior researcher at the London think tank, Royal United Services Institute. Sutyagin, who was jailed in Russia on charges of spying for the U.S. and freed as part of a spy-prisoner swap in 2010, says Assad “has a lot” of air-defense systems acquired from Russia, including between 12 and 20 short-range missile systems called Pantsyr-S, which have a range of about 7.5 miles and which can be mounted on vehicles. Those were delivered to Syria about a year ago, in what he believes is the latest confirmed arms shipment from Moscow. In addition, Assad has 1,200 air-defense guns and between 4,000 and 8,000 Strela portable shoulder-fired missiles. “That IS the GREAT stockpile of Russian air defense weaponry.

    Since Syrian rebels have no airplanes for Syrian forces to shoot down, Assad’s impressive air-defense arsenal has little bearing on the grueling war that has ravaged large parts of the country and killed an estimated 90,000 Syrians. But the antiaircraft weapons would be crucial if the U.N. voted to impose a no-fly zone over Syria or if Israel expands its sporadic strikes on Syria into a sustained bombing campaign. At that point, the S-300 missiles, which have a longer range and greater accuracy than Assad’s current weaponry, could inflict bigger losses and strike deep into Israel in retaliation — hence, Israel’s fury over the arms deal. With the S-300s in place, says Wezeman, “If Israel starts an air campaign, they would maybe lose a few more planes than they have until now. It is not a system which cannot be destroyed, but it would be a bigger campaign,” he says.

    Syria’s military arsenal presents the West with a far different calculus, in part explaining why no Western country has intervened militarily so far. While Gaddafi had huge stocks of weaponry, including Russian and Chinese antiaircraft missiles, much of it was discovered after Gaddafi was killed in October 2011, lying unused in warehouses. That suggested that the Libyan military did not know how to install the new weapon systems or had not had time to do so, according to military analysts. And Assad could also have learned some lessons from Gaddafi’s spectacular defeat. Gaddafi lacked long-range missiles capable of combating the high-altitude bombing strikes that NATO fighter jets conducted over Libya. “It’s against these types of operations that, for example, the S-300s or other SAMs [surface-to-air missiles] could be used with some efficiency,” Wezeman says. “In Libya the systems were old and out of date, and the Libyans did not really know how to operate them. It would be much more difficult for outsiders to intervene in Syria, in the way that took place in Libya.”.....snip~

    Syria's Air-Defense Arsenal: Russian Missiles Keeping Assad in Power | TIME.com




    Russia Steps Up Missile Sales to Syria

    Not only will Russia make good on delivering advanced S-300 anti-missile batteries and surface-to-air missiles to Syrian President Bashar Assad's regime, it has also provided anti-ship cruise missiles with advanced guidance systems, the New York Times reported on Thursday.

    According to the report, an upgraded version of the Yakhont anti-ship missiles is equipped with more advanced radar systems that will effectively prevent any foreign military intervention in Syria.

    "It enables the regime to deter foreign forces looking to supply the opposition from sea or from undertaking a more active role if a no-fly zone or shipping embargo were to be declared at some point," the Times quoted IHS Jane's International Defense Review editor-in-chief Nick Brown. "It's a real ship killer."

    Meanwhile, the Wall Street Journal reported that Russia deployed at least a dozen warships to guard its naval base at Syria's Tartus port and provide further deterrence to any foreign intervention in the country's civil war.....snip~


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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    We have stealth planes. Spare me the "air defense".

    You claimed they have cruise missiles capable of taking out ships. Got any evidence besides a NYT article?

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