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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I'm not...the Iraq war includes a laundry list of issues Democrats had with Bush. Not getting UN approval was just one of them.
    Bush DID get UN approval.

    The alledged laundry had one item on it: Bush is a Republican.

    Now that it's Obama: "oh, anything just fine".
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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    OOOOOOHHHHH! A UN resolution will shiver me timbers!! I bet that will put those Syrians in their place! The UN is worth as much as air conditioning in an outhouse. Pretty much useless! Time for America to flip the rest of the worlds problems the bird and say see ya wouldnt want to be ya!! WE have problems at home!

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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Bush DID get UN approval.

    The alledged laundry had one item on it: Bush is a Republican.

    Now that it's Obama: "oh, anything just fine".
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    After the Blix report there was talk about a resolution to use force but it was abandoned as the majority of Security Council members opposed it.
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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    OOOOOOHHHHH! A UN resolution will shiver me timbers!! I bet that will put those Syrians in their place! The UN is worth as much as air conditioning in an outhouse. Pretty much useless! Time for America to flip the rest of the worlds problems the bird and say see ya wouldnt want to be ya!! WE have problems at home!
    Yeah, we tried that once, back in the 30's, then 400 thousand Americans died.
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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, we tried that once, back in the 30's, then 400 thousand Americans died.
    Seeme to me this time around we need to set this one out. We can no longer be the worlds police force! Plus as George Washington said "avoid foriegn intanglements". Since you are conservative you should be licking up that statement off the floor. Honestly you sound more like a NeoCon.

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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Pete,

    I'm suggesting that what the UN does or, in the case, fails to do, will not stop the U.S., UK, France, and some others from carrying out military action. Such action appears increasingly likely and imminent. Given the pace of consultations, it would not surprise me if the operation's timing is a matter of days rather than a matter of weeks away.

    I don't support such action. We are in agreement that even as there is abundant evidence of a chemical weapons attack, the evidence as to whom was responsible is lacking, and cases can be made for others aside from the Assad government bearing responsibility. I am wary of undertaking a military response in the face of what appears to be incomplete evidence.

    In the U.S., much was made about the Bush Administration's rush into Iraq before there was evidence that it had reconstituted a WMD program. Post-war, it was found that it had not. Now, it appears that the U.S. is poised to launch another military operation in the face of incomplete evidence and significant uncertainty.

    Personally, I don't see the need for a rush. One can wait for the evidence. Waiting entails no substantial costs. If credible and convincing evidence becomes available that the Assad dictatorship were responsible, then some kind of strikes against that government's chemical infrastructure (probably production and delivery chain, but not storage facilities given environmental and health risks) would not be unreasonable. Instead, there seems to be no appetite for patience and no willingness to make an evidence-based decision. Moreover, some news reports have suggested that the military response would be aimed at degrading the Assad government's air power (its overriding competitive advantage in the sectarian conflict), hinting at perhaps an implicit downpayment toward regime change.

    P.S. It appears that the British Parliament is putting the brakes on military participation by the UK. Some are looking to make any operation contingent on the findings of the UN team. It would be nice if the U.S. Congress were similarly invested in trying to push the U.S. toward a response tied to the evidence.

    BBC News - Syria crisis: MPs to vote twice before direct UK action
    I'm interested in what credible and convincing evidence would be? What was presented on Iraq was credible and convincing at the time, there's nothing I can imagine being credible and convincing in todays "nothing is true" media on this issue.

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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    Seeme to me this time around we need to set this one out. We can no longer be the worlds police force! Plus as George Washington said "avoid foriegn intanglements". Since you are conservative you should be licking up that statement off the floor. Honestly you sound more like a NeoCon.
    That notion cost 400,000 American lives, the last time.
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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Well I'm hoping Obama lives up to that promise. I sure as **** don't think we should be in Syria. What's hilarious is Conservatives will try and bash Obama either way. The hawks are screaming for intervention on the right and the propaganda machine is saying if he does it he's a hypocrite.

    Like I said...I'm hoping he stays out of the quagmire.
    Nothing funny about the pit Obama has dug for us. All over his stupid "red line" comment. No matter what he does or does not do, our country will pay the price. But that's what we get when we elect someone as incompetent as he is to be President.
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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    If a western coalition goes ahead with military action, no good will come of it. There are no "good guys" in Syria, or at least damned few and nobody knows who the hell they might be. No matter which side "wins" this civil war, the Syrian people will most certainly lose.

    International belly bumping aside, this is a terrible, terrible idea.

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    Re: Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Nothing funny about the pit Obama has dug for us. All over his stupid "red line" comment. No matter what he does or does not do, our country will pay the price. But that's what we get when we elect someone as incompetent as he is to be President.
    Oh and Republicans have done so much better at it please. Last Republican lied to get us into a war. Republicans have dug deeper pits than Dems ever will

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