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Some school districts quit healthier lunch program

Higgins86 said:
poor eating habits doesnt help cause obesity? Lol ok mate.
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If you look at the generations, who ate the same types of foods, you will see it isn't food that is the problem. It's a ridiculous notion. People aren't active and are lazy, THAT is the problem.
 
I have two kids is elementary school and we pack them a lunch every day. I must say it is nice to see one government induced problem that doesn't impact me directly for a change.

But to go back to the "har har, kids are fat! Feed them less!" arguments, it's lack of exercise that leads to childhood obesity more than the calories consumed. Give the kids food they'll eat and bring back Physical Education.

If I were the bleeding heart type I would point out that a lot of these kids don't get a lot of food at home, so giving them sufficient calories while in school is a good idea. Good thing I'm not a bleeding heart. :lol:
 
davidtaylorjr said:
If you look at the generations, who ate the same types of foods, you will see it isn't food that is the problem. It's a ridiculous notion. People aren't active and are lazy, THAT is the problem.
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what generations are you talking about? 2 generations ago people ate local fresh food and fast food was barley invented. Nowdays most of our food is processed and made in factoires, wake up the food industry changed.
 
tech30528 said:
That makes sense. We buy the majority of our meat from a friend of mine who has a local farm. Cows, pigs and chickens pasture fed with a bare minimum of antibiotics and no added hormones. It's a little more expensive but we end up eating less meat. We didn't try to, it just worked out that way. It's more satisfying. Tastes better too.
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I would think it's worth the extra $$. We found the better we eat at home, the less we want to eat out - and ultimately higher priced but better groceries costs us less in the long run. Junk food really isn't cheap. I also think bad or low grade food can affect a person even mentally.
 
I agree that obesity is not largely about whole grains and vegetables, it's about terrifically bad parenting, eating habits, all coming down to caloric intake.
Second, having more whole grains and healthier food (no trans fat, a balance of protein, fiber, carbs, good fats, whole foods) is also a no-brainer.

That kids turn their noses up to it..of course, that's not what they were raised on. That's a parent/culture issue.

Both are issues. However someone notes correctly above that a few generations back it was largely less or unprocessed foods...what we're trying to go BACK to...so claiming it's ONLY about portion does appear to miss that too.
 
afr0byte said:
It's not the only thing that we should change, but it'll certainly help. Obviously gym class is important too.
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No, school is not the problem. It's parents who let their kids veg out on the couch playing video games and surfing the net and never getting any activity. THAT is the problem.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
The government shouldn't take away the food without thinking about the consequences first. Why not ask the kids and parents? Why are they making arbitrary decisions? They should have known it wasn't going to work by watching "Food Revolution" a few yars ago, don't remember the chef's name but it didn't work.
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How about schools don't serve lunches at all. Put it on the Parents! Lets try that for a change. That way we save money. Of course the righties will say Obama hates kids.
 
Higgins86 said:
what generations are you talking about? 2 generations ago people ate local fresh food and fast food was barley invented. Nowdays most of our food is processed and made in factoires, wake up the food industry changed.
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Between my gernation (not fat) and the current generation the food has not changed.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
No, school is not the problem. It's parents who let their kids veg out on the couch playing video games and surfing the net and never getting any activity. THAT is the problem.
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I agree food isn't the only thing we should change.
 
Deuce said:
It's both.
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what was the issue with the old menu? Can you name some specifics? Because things like a hamburger are not necessarily "unhealthy".
 
Higgins86 said:
yes and they continued to carry on eating that kind of food into adulthood and became fatter the older they got. Maybe if they had been taught about healthy foods and exposed to it they might have thought twice about that big mac.
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Pizza or a hamburger isn't exactly unhealthy food and can easily fit into a balanced diet.
 
Higgins86 said:
wow you have a very limited knowledge of the UK.


But back to school dinners you draw the line at healthy balanced dinners. Make sure the kids have a protein, veggies etc on their plate. Drinking water instead of soda, fruit instead of candy etc. Its ironic conservatives get angry about food stamps being spent on junk food but in the school sytems its fine. lol.
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because my money is being used out of my pocket to buy my kids school lunch my kid doesn't get his for free and because my personal money is being spent i have the right to decide what my kid eats not the states. when some one else is paying then that person who is paying has the right to decide and that is why WHEN YOU LET THE STATE PROVIDE THEY GET TO MAKE THE DECISIONS AND YOU LOSE YOUR RIGHT TO DO SO YOU LOSE YOUR FREEDOMS this is why socialism is contrary to freedom and liberty
 
zimmer said:
KIDS ARE GOING HUNGRY and FOOD JUST GETS TRASHED. Isn't government wonderful?
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Is it possible that these children are "turning their noses up at these foods" because their parents are encouraging them to dislike these options? I know that I have heard this debate going on since Michelle Obama decided to try to make the lack of health in our country a priority to focus on. I don't believe that a lot of parents are realizing that their actions are being mimicked by their children. Or maybe they do realize it and are purposefully encouraging an unhealthy lifestyle to prevent change from a Democrat to take place.

Of course children are also children and when they're younger it isn't "cool" to choose healthier options. I think it's an unfair assessment to make that the policy is failing BECAUSE children are not interested in the food. I think it's a safer assumption to make that instead of all parents acknowledging that we do in fact have an obesity epidemic in our country, they choose to undermine the current leadership so much that they would put their own children's health at stake to make certain policies fail.

zimmer said:
ROTFLOL... typical of government. They stick their nose in, waste taxpayer money, and Fail. In most cases they just pour in more money, but it's not so easy here... you can bring a kid to ObamaMeals but you can't force them to eat. No eat, no money, no profit.
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I agree that our government should do a much better job at prioritizing where our money is spent, but you say this as though Obama is forcefully trying to make children eat plates full of cockroaches for ****s and giggles. The financial crisis we are in started during Bush's term and I don't believe that Obama has helped nearly as much as he promised to do and it's a fair argument to make that the current administration is failing to fix an inherited problem.

I appreciate this article that I read from CBS that I felt showed what the real idea behind this policy change was supposed to do.

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Districts that leave the program are free to develop their own guidelines. Voorheesville's chef began serving such dishes as salad topped with flank steak and crumbled cheese, pasta with chicken and mushrooms, and a panini with chicken, red peppers and cheese.

In Catlin, soups and fish sticks will return to the menu this year, and the hamburger lunch will come with yogurt and a banana - not one or the other, like last year.
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I personally do not believe that it was Michelle Obama's intention to literally tell people what they're allowed to eat and what they are not allowed to eat. I believe her idea was to educate school systems on what healthier options are and to guide them to make their own changes. A friend of mine is from a state where her children are allowed to pick, on a daily basis, from three different fast food restaurants for lunch. I would take children eating a hamburger with a yogurt and a banana over a happy meal from McDonald's any day. The truth is that the initial plan may not have worked but now these school systems are capable of changing up the menus some to still maintain healthier options without continuing to lose money.

zimmer said:
It's not so much what people eat that causes obesity, it's how much they eat.
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That's not really true. Yes, there is much merit to the idea that portion control helps maintain weight levels and that the proper amounts of exercise helps with metabolism, but just eating less does not make you lose weight and be healthy. Maybe you haven't heard lately but there are known ties to diet sodas actually encouraging weight gain as well as developing tumors and holes in your brain over many, many years of continued consumption. Genetically modified seeds that are government sponsored and produced and shoved into the hands of government owned farmers are causing cancer. They're producing bigger crops at times, but those bigger crops have lost their nutritional values and that altered status of their genetic growth is making people sick. There are hundreds of companies and foods that are illegal in other countries that this country continues to sell because scientists have proven that these companies products are making people sick, if not killing them. They're all still legal here though because even one person, or one group encouraging a healthy change (like Michelle Obama) sent people into a ranting spiral of fury and all of the "you can't tell us what to do" and "you can't take away our freedoms" sentences start being thrown around.
 
Higgins86 said:
it is when you count fires as a veggie and they have burger and fries.
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Yup, we had those when I was a kid as well. Still only one fat kid that I can remember.
 
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