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Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

If you have a problem with the service dog system, that's fine. However, until you get the system changed, this gentlemen had a perfectly legal right to have the dog accompany him into the restaurant. The owner is a moron and a dope for causing the problem. Especially after he was shown the paperwork and even had the Oxford PD confirm that the paperwork was valid.

I did not say he was not within the law. I juist said he was within the law the same way as welfare whores and social security disability scamers. Things are not going to change if you just sit there and be quiet.
 
Sin? Sin of being an ahole.
Sin of having no compassion or empathy for a person with an illness.
My bet is he is some jerk off that got turned down for service and now has a chip on his little shoulder.
How a nation, and people, treat animals and those with real problems says alot about those people.
I hope a real turn down in biz enlightens this man.

You're so angry he didn't show this man no compassion that you want to see him hurt?

Maybe the man just lost his temper because he had a bad day and could use a little compassion himself.

Wait a minute. He doesn't share your politics? F-U-C-K HIM THEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

:roll:
 
You're so angry he didn't show this man no compassion that you want to see him hurt?

Maybe the man just lost his temper because he had a bad day and could use a little compassion himself.

Wait a minute. He doesn't share your politics? F-U-C-K HIM THEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

:roll:
Speaking of angry.
You need to calm down. Dont blow a blood vessel because you dont share my politics.Maybe the flower shop owner or the photo shop owner was just having a bad day when they told the gay couples they would not work with them.
 
Yeah, I see so many people trying to force their pets into places where pets are not allowed or customary, I really can't blame the owner, especially since the health department could shut him down.

It's not a pet! It's a frickin' service dog!
 
How on earth did the owner think this would play out? On what planet did he not believe he wouldn't get crazy blow back from his actions? why on earth would he take a stand like that? Just so ridiculous even without any moral implications.
 
Yeah, I see so many people trying to force their pets into places where pets are not allowed or customary, I really can't blame the owner, especially since the health department could shut him down.
Calling BS on that.
I have never seen a pet owner try to "force" their pets anywhere.
How about he tells people to take their "fake wheelchairs" somewhere else?
 
I did not say he was not within the law. I juist said he was within the law the same way as welfare whores and social security disability scamers. Things are not going to change if you just sit there and be quiet.

Then change the system. Until its changed, he's within his rights to do this without being abused by anyone.
 
The proprietor is an asshole...and he should be legally protected for being an asshole.

However, as it's the law, he should've allowed for it. I disagree with the law, but ah well. I still recognize the greatest 4 words in the private sector: We reserve the right...
 
I did not say he was not within the law. I juist said he was within the law the same way as welfare whores and social security disability scamers. Things are not going to change if you just sit there and be quiet.

You say he's a scammer without having met him or looking at his medical records, but Doctors will have assessed him and decided he was entitled to a service dog. How can you claim to have better knowledge of this guys mental health requirements than psychiatrists who have dealt with him?
 
Aren't there laws barring animals from resturants?
 
The proprietor is an asshole...and he should be legally protected for being an asshole.

However, as it's the law, he should've allowed for it. I disagree with the law, but ah well. I still recognize the greatest 4 words in the private sector: We reserve the right...

Yeah, the good old days when we could keep the undesirables from associating with us white folks!
 
Aren't there laws barring animals from resturants?

Try bringing some basic understanding of the world in which you live into the discussion. It will be much easier for you to participate that way.
 
Try bringing some basic understanding of the world in which you live into the discussion. It will be much easier for you to participate that way.

So, you're not able to answer the question, or what?
 
Maybe this has more to do with a culture where there are lots of questionable disabilities and some people may be sick of seeing perfectly healthy people skirting the rules because they got a doctor to sign off on being handicapped. I am not saying this vet is not handicapped, but every time you watch some healthy person getting out of some handicapped spot, or some perfectly fine person riding around on some cart meant for legitimate handicapped people you get a little cynical. How long until we have ADHD service dogs who are there because some kid can't be quiet without their beloved pet? Where I don't really care if a well behaved dog is in a food place, I am a bit skeptical about a service dog for PTSD. I know it is a condition, but the dog is not helping him see, or helping to do things for him like you would consider a service dog doing. Eventually doing this is going to get people to have themselves diagnosed with PTSD just so they can drag their chihuahua into places with them, and it really starts to lower the legitimacy of necessary things like service dogs when you have a physically healthy person who is capable of doing everything for himself carrying around an animal that has a purpose of doing things for the disabled. We all gain comfort from our pets, why shouldn't some shy person be allowed to bring their animal around, or some depressed person because the animal might give them comfort in case of some mental attack?

You have PTSD I am good with helping with shrinks, pills, counseling, and a few other things, but you are capable. Seriously, you went out and faced down peiople with guns and bombs, and now you tell us you cannot eat breakfast without your dog? Hate me for it, but i don't buy it.
What is your problem? :doh
 
The Libertarian party platform supports gay marriage. i am fine with gay marriage provided that it is passed on a state level by its citizens. I guess you could say my position is similar to Obama's.

The Libertarian 'party' is no different than the party machine of the dems and GOP. Their biggest problem is that most of what they promote is the ridiculous (example-legalizing drugs for example-rather than holding a position that states/citizens should decide and that the fed should be involved in one thing...illegal trafficking). If instead they focused on strong individual rights and responsible NECESSARY government, their membership levels would grow. However they have the same party problems as the other two in that so many party members believe there is no room for independent thought on matters.

I'd actually prefer a system in which there were no political parties. Vote for a person based on his own merits and beliefs, not based on whether or not there is a "D" or an "R" next to his name.
 
I did not say he was not within the law. I juist said he was within the law the same way as welfare whores and social security disability scamers. Things are not going to change if you just sit there and be quiet.

Do you have any evidence that he was a scammer? In what way did he cheat the system?
 
Aren't there laws barring animals from resturants?

Service animals are typically an exception. So long as the dog doesn't go to where food is being prepared, there is nothing illegal in a dog sitting at a restaurant.
 
Unfortunately, the school I helped out in last year had a policy due to staff and students being allergic and air-borne pathogens. I am retired.
Service animals are typically an exception. So long as the dog doesn't go to where food is being prepared, there is nothing illegal in a dog sitting at a restaurant.
 
Then change the system. Until its changed, he's within his rights to do this without being abused by anyone.

Where did you get that one from? He has the right to do it without legal consequences if it is not within the law. There is no right to not suffer the social consequences of your actions. They are well within their rights to complain, boycott, and make a huge issue out of it, as long as it is true.
 
You say he's a scammer without having met him or looking at his medical records, but Doctors will have assessed him and decided he was entitled to a service dog. How can you claim to have better knowledge of this guys mental health requirements than psychiatrists who have dealt with him?

Because I can. Are you tellintg us there are no doctors out there who make BS medical evaluations? because if you are you just eliminated insurance fraud, medicare fraud, disability fraud, and all sorts of widespread frauds that go on.
 
Do you have any evidence that he was a scammer? In what way did he cheat the system?


How do I know it is a scam? The dog does not do anything. It is a dog. It is not a pill that alters his brain's biochemistry that would calm him like a SSRI or a tranquilizer. The dog also is not a trained psychologist or behavioral therapist. It is a dog. It sits there and drools and perhaps barks. It is not going to talk him down or confront his feelings. In this case it is the same thing that could be accomplished by focusing on any inanimate object. So then it comes down to why have a dog over something like a plushie dog? You can do the same things with a plushie you do with a real dog in his case, and there would be only 2 differences. The first would be the plushie would react in a consistent manner, and the second is that the plushie is not against health codes. So why chose a dog? let us go to the extreme. Why not chose a skunk to do this with? Are we supposed to deal with a skunk because this guy cannot eat breakfast without his pal? No, the method is based upon an object that is not defined. So when you define the object you could put anything in there. So put something you can carry with you so you do not need to deal with this. This makes it a purposeful scam so he can carry his dog with him and skirt the rules. Now whether or not he is conscious of the scam, or he has deluded himself into thinking this is right does not make much difference to me.
 
Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog



The owner is an asshole. PTSD is a serious mental condition that affects thousands of Americans every year.

That aside: We are a society that has been trained to isolate victims of psychological illnesses, over diagnose and over medicate. It's all grounded in the amazing ignorance of the general populace and is in part the fault of less than ethical medical community who is willing to make a buck at the expense of gullible people. I have a person in my family with BP-II. It's NOT to be taken lightly. It's not something which disappears because of location. I can imagine what Mr. Glaser felt like after that incident. He probably felt disrespected at first, then hurt and finally isolated for his condition.

So in conclusion: Fuck Russell Ireland and his ignorant bitch ass.


This PSTD guy is nonsense......

The guy doesn't need the dog....

The guy is a retard..... "he rubs his magic dog and it all goes away" Seriously?
 
This PSTD guy is nonsense......

The guy doesn't need the dog....

The guy is a retard..... "he rubs his magic dog and it all goes away" Seriously?

Mr Nick, as somebody who has been proven to be illogical on many of their positions, you REALLY should learn to just let people with higher IQs debate from time to time. It saves bandwidth, avoids asinine posts and doesn't make your regularly scheduled level of trolling seem less obvious.
 
How do I know it is a scam? The dog does not do anything. It is a dog. It is not a pill that alters his brain's biochemistry that would calm him like a SSRI or a tranquilizer. The dog also is not a trained psychologist or behavioral therapist. It is a dog. It sits there and drools and perhaps barks. It is not going to talk him down or confront his feelings. In this case it is the same thing that could be accomplished by focusing on any inanimate object. So then it comes down to why have a dog over something like a plushie dog? You can do the same things with a plushie you do with a real dog in his case, and there would be only 2 differences. The first would be the plushie would react in a consistent manner, and the second is that the plushie is not against health codes. So why chose a dog? let us go to the extreme. Why not chose a skunk to do this with? Are we supposed to deal with a skunk because this guy cannot eat breakfast without his pal? No, the method is based upon an object that is not defined. So when you define the object you could put anything in there. So put something you can carry with you so you do not need to deal with this. This makes it a purposeful scam so he can carry his dog with him and skirt the rules. Now whether or not he is conscious of the scam, or he has deluded himself into thinking this is right does not make much difference to me.

This is the last time I answer one of your asinine posts on this thread. You've already been exposed as not only a ignorant poster, but also an all around asshole. So here you go, hope this helps remove that large 2x4 shoved up your rectum:

Pets for Depression and Health

Studies show that animals can reduce tension and improve mood. Along with treatment, pets can help some people with mild to moderate depression feel better. If you're depressed, here's a rundown of how pets could help.

How Pets Can Help Bipolar Disorder - Bipolar Disorder Center - Everyday Health

Bucky also is trained to help Dykstra deal with the social withdrawal that can result from a depressive episode. "When I am feeling particularly depressed, I want to withdraw and interact with absolutely nobody," she says. "Part of my self-care and wellness plan is taking Bucky for walks in a very busy park. I have no choice then because he will interact with other people and draw me out. Little kids come up and say, 'Can I pet the baby Lassie?

http://research.vet.upenn.edu/Portals/36/media/CIAS_AAI_white_paper.pdf

The results of existing studies of animal-assisted interventions undoubtedly offer sufficient
promise to warrant further empirical evaluation, and the researchers and practitioners who
participated in the current project expressed a strong interest in collaborating in future studies of
this type. Hopefully, the results of such collaborations will help to establish the true efficacy and
effectiveness of these interventions in a wide range of therapeutic contexts.

How support dogs are helping people to cope with mental health problems | Society | The Guardian

Studies have shown that time with dogs helps to create feelings of security. Some people with agoraphobia report that they are no longer housebound because of such contact, and post-traumatic stress disorder can likewise be alleviated.

These are medical studies, anecdotal evidence as well as general all around psychological advice explaining how both trained service dogs and contact with animals do help relieve some of the symptoms from mental illnesses. That you choose to ignore them is up to you. However, they're there. Either way, it doesn't really matter to me. You've already shown us you're not in this discussion to do anything than complain about how people with PTSD have more social skills than you do.
 
This is the last time I answer one of your asinine posts on this thread. You've already been exposed as not only a ignorant poster, but also an all around asshole. So here you go, hope this helps remove that large 2x4 shoved up your rectum:

Pets for Depression and Health



How Pets Can Help Bipolar Disorder - Bipolar Disorder Center - Everyday Health



http://research.vet.upenn.edu/Portals/36/media/CIAS_AAI_white_paper.pdf



How support dogs are helping people to cope with mental health problems | Society | The Guardian



These are medical studies, anecdotal evidence as well as general all around psychological advice explaining how both trained service dogs and contact with animals do help relieve some of the symptoms from mental illnesses. That you choose to ignore them is up to you. However, they're there. Either way, it doesn't really matter to me. You've already shown us you're not in this discussion to do anything than complain about how people with PTSD have more social skills than you do.

You can make it through breakfast without that. We make exceptions because people need those animals to do physical things. Every pet owner feels better with their dog, that is not a reason to start letting them roam around restaurants. A blind man cannot see well enough to walk around the restaurant without his dog. A cripple cannot use their body well enough to get along without their aids. This guy can eat breakfast without a freakout. He might feel a little bit lonely, but suck it up.
 
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