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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The dog is allowed in the restaurant and it is a service dog, so it's *your* argument that's invalid.

    And mutilating genitals is outlawed already. We shouldn't make exceptions just because some man feels sad that he can't walk around with a vagina wherever he goes. As a straight man, I sometimes feel sad that I can't have vagina wherever I go, but that does not justify allowing doctors to mutilate someone's genitals just so I can feel better.
    My argument is, despite your attempts to derail, that this is not a necessary handicapped solution. It is a perversion of the system, and this guy is lowering respect for people with legitimate disabilities who actually need service dogs. He is either crazy enough to need constant medical supervision because he cannot even eat breakfast without a dog, or he can have his breakfast and go back to his animal and feel better just like every other person. Your example is completely off base because a sex change operation does not put a vagina on a leash running around a eating establishment. No one is telling this guy he cannot own a dog. Yes, the law supports him, but I think we should start clamping down on these false crazies because it is getting a bit ridiculous and this guy is just exploiting the system because he wants his doggy.

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I say the same thing about any man who thinks they be better off cutting their pecker off

    Lock 'em up!!
    You need to do better at that trolling thing. It is good, but I am not a republican.

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    My argument is, despite your attempts to derail, that this is not a necessary handicapped solution. It is a perversion of the system, and this guy is lowering respect for people with legitimate disabilities who actually need service dogs. He is either crazy enough to need constant medical supervision because he cannot even eat breakfast without a dog, or he can have his breakfast and go back to his animal and feel better just like every other person. Your example is completely off base because a sex change operation does not put a vagina on a leash running around a eating establishment. No one is telling this guy he cannot own a dog. Yes, the law supports him, but I think we should start clamping down on these false crazies because it is getting a bit ridiculous and this guy is just exploiting the system because he wants his doggy.
    Here is what we realize from the post above:

    1. You do not think PTSD is a "legitimate disability".

    - The DSM-V, APA, APA (Psychiatric), and VA all seem to disagree with you.

    2. You think "crazy" is a mental illness.

    - It is not. Don't believe me? Try and find it in the DSM-V.

    3. You argue he is a "false crazy".

    - As per all the evidence presented, he is not crazy. He's not a fraud either.

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    So in essence, you've concocted a gigantic bull**** argument that has no basis in medical journals, opinions of psychiatric or psychologic associations or veterans affairs offices. Not only that, you've completely ignored the very REAL condition that is PTSD in order to make yourself look like you know just what it is you're talking about.

    My suggestion: Please pick up a book on medical and psychological conditions. Learn what they are and how to explain them. Then, learn how they are treated.

    Those steps alone should help ensure you don't look ignorant.
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    My argument is, despite your attempts to derail, that this is not a necessary handicapped solution. It is a perversion of the system, and this guy is lowering respect for people with legitimate disabilities who actually need service dogs. He is either crazy enough to need constant medical supervision because he cannot even eat breakfast without a dog, or he can have his breakfast and go back to his animal and feel better just like every other person. Your example is completely off base because a sex change operation does not put a vagina on a leash running around a eating establishment. No one is telling this guy he cannot own a dog. Yes, the law supports him, but I think we should start clamping down on these false crazies because it is getting a bit ridiculous and this guy is just exploiting the system because he wants his doggy.
    And cutting off the penis of a perfectly physically healthy man is a perversion of the medical system. If a man is crazy enough to want his pecker cut off, turned inside out, and inserted into a hole the doctor cut into his crotch, then he is crazy enough to need constant medical supervision or just keep his penis and feel better about it just like every other man

    Your example is just off base because this guy isn't bringing his dog into the ladies bathroom. No one is telling these so-called transgendered people that they can't use a bathroom, they just have to use the bathroom God intended them to use. These people are just exploiting the system because they want to have vagina all the time. They should just learn to deal with not having vagina all the time, just like the rest of us men.
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    You need to do better at that trolling thing. It is good, but I am not a republican.
    Well, you certainly have got the ad hom thing going on so it's getting hard to tell the difference

    You're also pretty good at ignoring the facts when they don't suit your beliefs
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Well, you certainly have got the ad hom thing going on so it's getting hard to tell the difference

    You're also pretty good at ignoring the facts when they don't suit your beliefs
    He's a liberal not well-versed on the topic.

    The best thing to tell the ignorant on this: too bad. It's the law. Take your crying elsewhere.
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Well, you certainly have got the ad hom thing going on so it's getting hard to tell the difference

    You're also pretty good at ignoring the facts when they don't suit your beliefs
    Well, at this point I have pretty much explained myself here, and this is now just getting repetative or there is an attempt by someone to change this into an argument over the legitimacy of TG people, which is not actually connected so one could be legitimate while the other isn't. So given everything has been said on my part please refer to previous statements of mine so i do not have to repeat myself and i will check back later to see if anything new has been added to this. In the end i really do not care that much that a well behaved dog is in someplace. The reason a well behaved dog is not allowed is mostly because most people would bring their poorly behaved mutts into someplace and this guy who is being unreasonable in his claims of disability got screwed by people who are unreasonable with their ill behaved pets. It seems to be karma to me, and perhaps people should stop being assholes and trying to scam the system and then we would not have to have arguments over the legitimacy of disabilities or even keeping behaved pets outside.

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Well, at this point I have pretty much explained myself here,
    Yes, you've made it clear that people who have problems you don't have and don't care about are nothing but whiny douche bags who are endangering your health, but people who have problems you do care about have legitimate concerns.


    and this is now just getting repetative or there is an attempt by someone to change this into an argument over the legitimacy of TG people, which is not actually connected so one could be legitimate while the other isn't.
    Men who are sad because they don't have vaginas do not have a legitimate problem. They are just sad little whiners.
    So given everything has been said on my part please refer to previous statements of mine so i do not have to repeat myself and i will check back later to see if anything new has been added to this. In the end i really do not care that much that a well behaved dog is in someplace. The reason a well behaved dog is not allowed is mostly because most people would bring their poorly behaved mutts into someplace and this guy who is being unreasonable in his claims of disability got screwed by people who are unreasonable with their ill behaved pets. It seems to be karma to me, and perhaps people should stop being assholes and trying to scam the system and then we would not have to have arguments over the legitimacy of disabilities or even keeping behaved pets outside.
    I'd agree, but only if the people with fake vajajays keep them out of the womens restrooms and stop scamming the system with their demands for separate locker rooms.
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    The reason a well behaved dog is not allowed is mostly because most people would bring their poorly behaved mutts into someplace and this guy who is being unreasonable in his claims of disability got screwed by people who are unreasonable with their ill behaved pets.
    What you and a lot of people cannot seem to comprehend is that if it is in the law specifically, the man is neither gaming the system, nor is being unreasonable. Now, the only reason why I can think of as to why people think he is a scammer is because of "folksy" knowledge about disability, and that they somehow get to invade your privacy to determine something they aren't qualified or legally able to do. The business owner was well-enough informed about service dogs to know that they help those who are blind, and so on get around town. Why did he know that? Because the people at the top got to tell him that over the years. He doesn't know it because he is personally knowledgeable or qualified. He just does what he is told and what is expected of him, but usually haphazardly. He has neither the legal access nor the trained knowledge to make those determinations about a certain case himself, but sometimes, because he's seen it a few times, he thinks he's got it all figured out. The reason why we don't allow the average citizen to make those determinations is because most American citizens are idiots when it comes to the subject. They don't get that power.
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This isn't really a Libertarian thing. It's a common sense thing. You find many an asshole in the world who doesn't think PTSD is a serious condition.
    people can be really cruel to the mentally challenged and handicapped in general. It's really sad

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