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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    One man's logic is another mans trivia. Why the blind defense? If this is totally legit, he'll get his fortune. If it isn't, well, then he won't.
    The above statement assumes 1 thing:

    This guy is suing.

    As far as we know all he is doing is filing a complaint with VA and making sure his story is told. The gold digging thing is a figment of your imagination as far as this case is concerned.
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What bothered you was illogical considering what we know about how the events turned out, the people in question and the attempts made by this guy to simply have his companion with him at the restaurant.
    A service dog for a disabled person is not a companion. It is something that helps them to do things. We do not allow them because it makes the disabled feel better, it is because that animal actually does something for the disabled. Why not just let every service person have their companions with them in that case? I am sure they feel bad for some reason and could use a smile from their dog while eating breakfast. They have to live with the horrors of war also. This guy is healthy physically just like they are.

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Do some volunteer work at an intake VA hospital with newly reintroduced state side war time vets, then get back with me.
    yeah, you do not get a free pass to scam the system because you are a vet. Sorry, I can see why some people do get help and have real legitimate problems that come from all of that. I can even see psychological counseling for people with PTSD and if meds help would be willing to pay for them through taxes also. Your dog is not a psychologist trained to deal with mental attacks. A PTSD dog is not helping get them things they are physically unable to get because of their injury. If he wants to wander around with his personal headshrinker because he might have a panick attack, I am not going to argue with that, but unless that dog is scooby doo the only thing it will do if you have a panic attack is to drool on you and bark. It is not going to talk him down, adminsiter a sedative, or do anything useful. Making this crap up is not helping out legitimately injured people who do need a service animal.

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Yeah, I see so many people trying to force their pets into places where pets are not allowed or customary, I really can't blame the owner, especially since the health department could shut him down.
    I don't know about other parts of the US, but this county requires businesses to accommodate service animals, unless they want to receive punitive actions only a multibillion dollar corporation could walk away from.
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    the idea that some perfectly healthy guy needs his dog with him because he is sad
    Do you know what PTSD is? Please tell me you do. Is "sadness" one of the symptoms?

    Symptoms of PTSD: Re-experiencing the traumatic event
    Intrusive, upsetting memories of the event
    Flashbacks (acting or feeling like the event is happening again)
    Nightmares (either of the event or of other frightening things)
    Feelings of intense distress when reminded of the trauma
    Intense physical reactions to reminders of the event (e.g. pounding heart, rapid breathing, nausea, muscle tension, sweating)

    Symptoms of PTSD: Avoidance and numbing
    Avoiding activities, places, thoughts, or feelings that remind you of the trauma
    Inability to remember important aspects of the trauma
    Loss of interest in activities and life in general
    Feeling detached from others and emotionally numb
    Sense of a limited future (you don’t expect to live a normal life span, get married, have a career)

    Symptoms of PTSD: Increased anxiety and emotional arousal
    Difficulty falling or staying asleep
    Irritability or outbursts of anger
    Difficulty concentrating
    Hypervigilance (on constant “red alert”)
    Feeling jumpy and easily startled
    Symptoms and Diagnosis of PTSD | Psych Central

    There are three main kinds of symptoms that clinicians look for when diagnosing posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD). These include re-experiencing symptoms, avoidant symptoms and symptoms of increased arousal.
    DSM-5 Criteria for PTSD - NATIONAL CENTER for PTSD

    Diagnostic criteria for PTSD include a history of exposure to a traumatic event that meets specific stipulations and symptoms from each of four symptom clusters: intrusion, avoidance, negative alterations in cognitions and mood, and alterations in arousal and reactivity. The sixth criterion concerns duration of symptoms; the seventh assesses functioning; and, the eighth criterion clarifies symptoms as not attributable to a substance or co-occurring medical condition.
    Again, you don't get diagnosed with PTSD because you're feeling sad.
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    First, that seems to do a lot with health coverage, which again I have no problem in having funding, better than we have now, for vets who need medicine and profesional help for physical and mental trauma. but the idea that some perfectly healthy guy needs his dog with him because he is sad is pretty much spitting on the idea that we should be making some sacrifice for people who live with some real problems.
    Like some guy who is sad because he doesn't have a vagina
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The above statement assumes 1 thing:

    This guy is suing.

    As far as we know all he is doing is filing a complaint with VA and making sure his story is told. The gold digging thing is a figment of your imagination as far as this case is concerned.
    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    A service dog for a disabled person is not a companion. It is something that helps them to do things. We do not allow them because it makes the disabled feel better, it is because that animal actually does something for the disabled. Why not just let every service person have their companions with them in that case? I am sure they feel bad for some reason and could use a smile from their dog while eating breakfast. They have to live with the horrors of war also. This guy is healthy physically just like they are.
    I too believe that service animals are valid and important and legally protected. In fact, I really don't know that you'll find many who disagree.

    The guy said something that troubled me. I'll try to get over it and not cry myself to sleep. So, I'd like to hear the other side of the story. Surely that's not unreasonable?

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Do you know what PTSD is? Please tell me you do. Is "sadness" one of the symptoms?



    Symptoms and Diagnosis of PTSD | Psych Central



    DSM-5 Criteria for PTSD - NATIONAL CENTER for PTSD



    Again, you don't get diagnosed with PTSD because you're feeling sad.
    That is nice and all, and that is pretty much feeling bad. Those are feelings you know, and they would appear to be negative ones hence the bad. Now that you have done all of this can you explain to me how a dog stops most of them? Does the dog have an infaltable shrink couch he carries around so he can address the trauma when it occurs? Does he have a drum of anti-psychotics to drink out of when the guy startys getting all panicky? Does the dog jump on him and give him a relaxing massage when he starts to fell these feelings? In case he falls asleep at the table was the dog trained at the inception school for dream intervention to come in and rescue him from his nightmare? I am all for shrink, and meds, and counseling to help, but the owner was right. If you cannot handle eating breakfast without a freakout perhaps you need a bit more than a dog.

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Like some guy who is sad because he doesn't have a vagina
    and you said that to tererun.

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    First, that seems to do a lot with health coverage, which again I have no problem in having funding, better than we have now, for vets who need medicine and profesional help for physical and mental trauma. but the idea that some perfectly healthy guy needs his dog with him because he is sad is pretty much spitting on the idea that we should be making some sacrifice for people who live with some real problems. You have some vet who is blind, lost limbs, or in some way needs a dog to do things for him and I am all there with you, and even willing to help myself. This guy is scamming the system. Just like when you see some ADHD person who is on disability and getting social security payments because they feel bad when they work. I know people want to claim all vets are great people who deserve extra stuff, but there is a reason why some people start getting bothered because everyone starts having disabilities which let them get beyond the rules when you start allowing this.

    The argument was that nearly every major piece of public policy toward individuals with disabilities had to deal with the concept of whether or not the policy was moral by helping them, and whether or not they deserved it. Later on, which I could not in good legal standing provide you, he also demonstrated that social policy after social policy was concerned with whether or not someone would fake it. In effect, this frequently placed the individual with a disability in a de facto mode of defense at the policy level, because at the social level, a common assumption was one of skepticism and dismissal, until proven otherwise.

    Now, aside from your incorrect assumptions about each diagnosis category, I had to address what seemed to be the larger implication: that there is a rampant problem, and society is merely reacting to it. This I countered with the argument that in fact, it was a long-standing bias dating back a century or longer.
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