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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    This guy clearly isn't a fraud as verified by not 1, two different sources. He provided the dog's papers as service dogs, he was then validated by the police who checked his paper. Again, your arguments are getting more desperate.
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Maybe this has more to do with a culture where there are lots of questionable disabilities and some people may be sick of seeing perfectly healthy people skirting the rules because they got a doctor to sign off on being handicapped. I am not saying this vet is not handicapped, but every time you watch some healthy person getting out of some handicapped spot, or some perfectly fine person riding around on some cart meant for legitimate handicapped people you get a little cynical. How long until we have ADHD service dogs who are there because some kid can't be quiet without their beloved pet? Where I don't really care if a well behaved dog is in a food place, I am a bit skeptical about a service dog for PTSD. I know it is a condition, but the dog is not helping him see, or helping to do things for him like you would consider a service dog doing. Eventually doing this is going to get people to have themselves diagnosed with PTSD just so they can drag their chihuahua into places with them, and it really starts to lower the legitimacy of necessary things like service dogs when you have a physically healthy person who is capable of doing everything for himself carrying around an animal that has a purpose of doing things for the disabled. We all gain comfort from our pets, why shouldn't some shy person be allowed to bring their animal around, or some depressed person because the animal might give them comfort in case of some mental attack?

    You have PTSD I am good with helping with shrinks, pills, counseling, and a few other things, but you are capable. Seriously, you went out and faced down peiople with guns and bombs, and now you tell us you cannot eat breakfast without your dog? Hate me for it, but i don't buy it.
    It's a historical issue deeply held in American public policy:

    First, Brown justifies assistance to disabled veterans not merely in terms of their need but also as repayment for past military service. He bases their claims before the government not on their impairments alone but also on the moral worth and social worthiness of these men. A survey of modern U.S. disability policy reveals that Brown is far from alone in this view. Many public disability programs were, and are, based on past contributions. For example, the largest federal program that provides cash payments to people who have a disability, Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI), is a social insurance program available only to those who have participated in the paid workforce and have paid payroll taxes into the Disability Insurance trust fund. While Supplemental Security Income, a federal income maintenance program, provides cash benefits for those who have never worked, SSI benefits are significantly lower than payments made to most SSDI beneficiaries. In every type of disability policy and program, from veterans pensions to vocational rehabilitation, from social insurance to civil rights, notions of moral worth and social worthiness have played a central role in determining what individuals have qualified for benefits or protections.
    Richard K. Scotch, "American Disability Policy in the Twentieth Century" in The New Disability History: American Perspectives, 375-376.
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This isn't really a Libertarian thing. It's a common sense thing. You find many an asshole in the world who doesn't think PTSD is a serious condition.
    That's very true, unfortunately.

    Some people think because they can't "see " the disabling condition, one doesn't exist.

    So sad that in this day and age, some are still discriminating against those with mentally disabling illnesses.
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Maybe this has more to do with a culture where there are lots of questionable disabilities and some people may be sick of seeing perfectly healthy people skirting the rules because they got a doctor to sign off on being handicapped. I am not saying this vet is not handicapped, but every time you watch some healthy person getting out of some handicapped spot, or some perfectly fine person riding around on some cart meant for legitimate handicapped people you get a little cynical. How long until we have ADHD service dogs who are there because some kid can't be quiet without their beloved pet? Where I don't really care if a well behaved dog is in a food place, I am a bit skeptical about a service dog for PTSD. I know it is a condition, but the dog is not helping him see, or helping to do things for him like you would consider a service dog doing. Eventually doing this is going to get people to have themselves diagnosed with PTSD just so they can drag their chihuahua into places with them, and it really starts to lower the legitimacy of necessary things like service dogs when you have a physically healthy person who is capable of doing everything for himself carrying around an animal that has a purpose of doing things for the disabled. We all gain comfort from our pets, why shouldn't some shy person be allowed to bring their animal around, or some depressed person because the animal might give them comfort in case of some mental attack?

    You have PTSD I am good with helping with shrinks, pills, counseling, and a few other things, but you are capable. Seriously, you went out and faced down peiople with guns and bombs, and now you tell us you cannot eat breakfast without your dog? Hate me for it, but i don't buy it.
    Do some volunteer work at an intake VA hospital with newly reintroduced state side war time vets, then get back with me.
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    There is something troubling my inner detective. At the end of the interview version I watched on Fox.com he says he won't give this guy his business again.

    Again? Were you there before? Did you bring your dog? Did you act up? So, I searched for more info and it seems to be that suing restaurants over service animals not a new thing occurrence. Some substantial settlements from McDonalds.

    So, I think I need to know more about why an owner would make a bad business decision and refuse to extricate himself or even speak up for himself. Yes, I heard his moronic response but talk about an absence of context, that was pretty short.

    The Jury is still out. I did pal around with PTSD assholes for a while during my hippie era (more recent than you think). If I owned a restaurant, I wouldn't have let us in. So, no firing squad - yet.

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    There is something troubling my inner detective. At the end of the interview version I watched on Fox.com he says he won't give this guy his business again.

    Again? Were you there before? Did you bring your dog? Did you act up? So, I searched for more info and it seems to be that suing restaurants over service animals not a new thing occurrence. Some substantial settlements from McDonalds.

    So, I think I need to know more about why an owner would make a bad business decision and refuse to extricate himself or even speak up for himself. Yes, I heard his moronic response but talk about an absence of context, that was pretty short.

    The Jury is still out. I did pal around with PTSD assholes for a while during my hippie era (more recent than you think). If I owned a restaurant, I wouldn't have let us in. So, no firing squad - yet.
    So he basically tried to get his dog by supplying the necessary paperwork, then called the police to validate his claim - all so he could maybe have a case for a lawsuit? I'd say your inner detective is working overtime and needs a rest.
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So he basically tried to get his dog by supplying the necessary paperwork, then called the police to validate his claim - all so he could maybe have a case for a lawsuit? I'd say your inner detective is working overtime and needs a rest.
    You don't need to defend him. I didn't accuse him of anything. I think I explained rather well what bothered me. I'm sure I'll be smarter in the future.

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    You don't need to defend him. I didn't accuse him of anything. I think I explained rather well what bothered me. I'm sure I'll be smarter in the future.
    What bothered you was illogical considering what we know about how the events turned out, the people in question and the attempts made by this guy to simply have his companion with him at the restaurant.
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What bothered you was illogical considering what we know about how the events turned out, the people in question and the attempts made by this guy to simply have his companion with him at the restaurant.
    One man's logic is another mans trivia. Why the blind defense? If this is totally legit, he'll get his fortune. If it isn't, well, then he won't.

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    It's a historical issue deeply held in American public policy:



    Richard K. Scotch, "American Disability Policy in the Twentieth Century" in The New Disability History: American Perspectives, 375-376.
    First, that seems to do a lot with health coverage, which again I have no problem in having funding, better than we have now, for vets who need medicine and profesional help for physical and mental trauma. but the idea that some perfectly healthy guy needs his dog with him because he is sad is pretty much spitting on the idea that we should be making some sacrifice for people who live with some real problems. You have some vet who is blind, lost limbs, or in some way needs a dog to do things for him and I am all there with you, and even willing to help myself. This guy is scamming the system. Just like when you see some ADHD person who is on disability and getting social security payments because they feel bad when they work. I know people want to claim all vets are great people who deserve extra stuff, but there is a reason why some people start getting bothered because everyone starts having disabilities which let them get beyond the rules when you start allowing this.

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