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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Here we go again. The patron committed what incredible sin? Asking the business owner to adhere to a federal law.
    Then track him down and send him a check to afford a lawyer to sue the guy--he will appreciate the attention since he is more interested in harassing the guy than educating him.

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Then track him down and send him a check to afford a lawyer to sue the guy--he will appreciate the attention since he is more interested in harassing the guy than educating him.
    He attempted to educate him on the spot, not once, but twice, and now a third time through the public.
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    And you clearly have no idea when you see someone milking their PTSD for attention. The guy called the cops and is hamming it up on TV playing the victim to make this business owner look bad as opposed to making a case for service animals. If this were some old woman who lost her husband and wanted her poodle with her for comfort, people would not be falling over backwards to help her play the victim.
    What do we have so far?

    1) Federal law doesn't back up your first argument.
    2) The standards for service dogs don't back up your second argument and third argument.

    So you resort to a non sequitur and completely subjective opinion. How's that working out for you?
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    The No Jews or Coloreds libertarians will be in full support of the owner. To them this is no big deal, he and Fido should just move on. To them, that's liberty in action.
    I'm not a Libertarian and I don't know much about them other than in a general way. I met one, very odd fellow who was very disabled. But that's quite an accusation. Do you mean no Jews and no blacks or is this just high drama?

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I'm not a Libertarian and I don't know much about them other than in a general way. I met one, very odd fellow who was very disabled. But that's quite an accusation. Do you mean no Jews and no blacks or is this just high drama?
    I mean they are fine with that sign in a restaurant window, and they are.

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    I mean they are fine with that sign in a restaurant window, and they are.
    Any Libertarian here confirm or deny this? Please? Real or unreal? True or false? Inquiring minds...

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    He attempted to educate him on the spot, not once, but twice, and now a third time through the public.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What do we have so far?

    1) Federal law doesn't back up your first argument.
    2) The standards for service dogs don't back up your second argument and third argument.

    So you resort to a non sequitur and completely subjective opinion. How's that working out for you?

    http://www.armytimes.com/article/201...-fraud-growing

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Any Libertarian here confirm or deny this? Please? Real or unreal? True or false? Inquiring minds...
    This has all the answers you seek: http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-an...an-rights.html

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Maybe this has more to do with a culture where there are lots of questionable disabilities and some people may be sick of seeing perfectly healthy people skirting the rules because they got a doctor to sign off on being handicapped. I am not saying this vet is not handicapped, but every time you watch some healthy person getting out of some handicapped spot, or some perfectly fine person riding around on some cart meant for legitimate handicapped people you get a little cynical. How long until we have ADHD service dogs who are there because some kid can't be quiet without their beloved pet? Where I don't really care if a well behaved dog is in a food place, I am a bit skeptical about a service dog for PTSD. I know it is a condition, but the dog is not helping him see, or helping to do things for him like you would consider a service dog doing. Eventually doing this is going to get people to have themselves diagnosed with PTSD just so they can drag their chihuahua into places with them, and it really starts to lower the legitimacy of necessary things like service dogs when you have a physically healthy person who is capable of doing everything for himself carrying around an animal that has a purpose of doing things for the disabled. We all gain comfort from our pets, why shouldn't some shy person be allowed to bring their animal around, or some depressed person because the animal might give them comfort in case of some mental attack?

    You have PTSD I am good with helping with shrinks, pills, counseling, and a few other things, but you are capable. Seriously, you went out and faced down peiople with guns and bombs, and now you tell us you cannot eat breakfast without your dog? Hate me for it, but i don't buy it.

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    If you're going to give a knee-jerk reaction because it involves people with disabilities, the very least you can do is pretend to read the story.

    James grabbed Jack’s paperwork to show the doubting owner that he was indeed a legitimate service dog but was still given a fight. He told WFXT FOX 25 News, “I said, ‘I have his certification paperwork right here. He’s not fake, he’s 100% legit.
    Instance #1 where the disabled veteran goes above and beyond the law to prove it.

    So James called the police and Sergeant Anthony Saad with the Oxford PD confirmed the dog’s paperwork and attempted to convince Ireland.
    Instance #2 where the disabled veteran goes above and beyond the law to prove it, by using the law enforcement officers to provide proof of legitimacy.

    Now, again, how is this justified?
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