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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog



    The owner is an asshole. PTSD is a serious mental condition that affects thousands of Americans every year.

    That aside: We are a society that has been trained to isolate victims of psychological illnesses, over diagnose and over medicate. It's all grounded in the amazing ignorance of the general populace and is in part the fault of less than ethical medical community who is willing to make a buck at the expense of gullible people. I have a person in my family with BP-II. It's NOT to be taken lightly. It's not something which disappears because of location. I can imagine what Mr. Glaser felt like after that incident. He probably felt disrespected at first, then hurt and finally isolated for his condition.

    So in conclusion: Fuck Russell Ireland and his ignorant bitch ass.
    Actually, in a Libertarian society, businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone.

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This isn't really a Libertarian thing. It's a common sense thing. You find many an asshole in the world who doesn't think PTSD is a serious condition.
    It is a Libertarian thing. Restaurant owners should not have to admit anyone they don't want because

    1) They're private operations
    2) They are unsubsidized by the govt
    3) They are not monopolies (or geographic monopolies)

    So the restaurant ideally ought to be the restaurant owner's castle.

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog



    The owner is an asshole. PTSD is a serious mental condition that affects thousands of Americans every year.

    That aside: We are a society that has been trained to isolate victims of psychological illnesses, over diagnose and over medicate. It's all grounded in the amazing ignorance of the general populace and is in part the fault of less than ethical medical community who is willing to make a buck at the expense of gullible people. I have a person in my family with BP-II. It's NOT to be taken lightly. It's not something which disappears because of location. I can imagine what Mr. Glaser felt like after that incident. He probably felt disrespected at first, then hurt and finally isolated for his condition.
    I'm not trying to be insensitive, but a service dog for PTSD?
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Service dogs are trained not to do that.
    Don't count on it. I've seen many a poor trained service dog.

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Stuff like this totally pisses me off. We send out troops overseas to be cannon fodder for a bunch of suicidal Islamists,
    Wrong. We send no one. Only the govt. sends those troops, all of whom volunteered.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    and after serving this country for 21 years,
    They never served their country. They served their govt.

    I feel sorry for the guy, but it's detrimental to a free society to force owners of property to admit people/animals they don't want. Surely, the vet wouldn't want strange undesirable individuals in his home, so why should the govt. force the owner to do so?

    Besides, there is no shortage of restaurants that will admit service animals, or PTSD dogs. Tell him to go somewhere else.

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Service animals are typically an exception. So long as the dog doesn't go to where food is being prepared, there is nothing illegal in a dog sitting at a restaurant.
    So what if there are kids who walk in and the dog barks and scares them? What if the dog ****s on the floor? What if other dogs are outside and it makes the dog nervous? What if the dog sees someone that makes him/her nervious?

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    It is a Libertarian thing. Restaurant owners should not have to admit anyone they don't want because

    1) They're private operations
    2) They are unsubsidized by the govt
    3) They are not monopolies (or geographic monopolies)

    So the restaurant ideally ought to be the restaurant owner's castle.
    Not really. It's a common sense issue. Even if you don't like the ADA, it's still federal law. Establishments who take advantage of government tax cuts and make use of publicly funded programs, do not have the right to then deny service the very people who make it possible. - Sucks to suck.
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    So what if there are kids who walk in and the dog barks and scares them? What if the dog ****s on the floor? What if other dogs are outside and it makes the dog nervous? What if the dog sees someone that makes him/her nervious?
    Service dogs are trained to not do that.
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Not really. It's a common sense issue. Even if you don't like the ADA, it's still federal law. Establishments who take advantage of government tax cuts and make use of publicly funded programs, do not have the right to then deny service the very people who make it possible. - Sucks to suck.
    If the restaurants received a subsidy (or tax cut) from the govt. that wasn't available to other entrepreneurs, then it's a different issue. However, they should not be receiving any subsidies.

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Service dogs are trained to not do that.
    The training isn't always perfect. And restaurant owners shouldn't have to incur any losses/damages as a result of a poorly trained dog.

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