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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    Or "L" or "G" or"C".
    I didn't think those counted.
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Sounds like feeling bad to me. Bad is a pretty large umbrella. You are just putting a specific to the feeling.
    In your case it is so large it losses any practical utility.




    And in what way does the dog electrochemically protect his brain? Now you are putting the dog in a place where it does not belong. The dog is not a chemical taken to correct those balances. The dog merely comforts the subject and allows them to procede through their symptoms. The PTSD is still going on. No one has said that having a dog around causes the electrochemical content of the brain to be different.
    I wasn't addressing the dog at the point but I did after this.


    That is not actually stopping the attack. That is merely stopping the symptoms.
    No it does not stop the attack. And it does not stop the symptoms either. What the dog does is alert him that he will have an attack and due to that warning he will be prepaired for the attack and will better manage when the attack occurs.
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

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    The mentally ill are covered under the ADA.

    Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





    The rest of your post is worthy of applause. There are so many people who simply do not have the first clue as to the effects of mental illness are so they call it "insanity".

    I have had personal experience with some mental illness so I have an inroad. I also have an abstract and introspective mind so that helps to.
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    In your case it is so large it losses any practical utility.
    Then we get down to when you start specifying problems. All of a sudden we have extreme cases being whipped out like this guy is a psychotic mess who is magically being held together by a dog. For the most part I am agreeing with you. If this guy is that wacked out that he needs a dog to eat breakfast then get the guy a dog, but let us also get him into a supervised facility where someone can try to help him so that he can accomplish eating breakfast without his dog which might be a hardship one might expect to face in this world. If it is not a hardship we have to face, then certainly let us start letting dogs into restaurants right now because this would improve the lives of many pet owners. Seriously, we are not even really asking the guy be able to cook for himself. This guy supposedly cannot sit down and decide what he wants to eat and have it served to him without his dog around. A blind person cannot see. A crippled person cannot use their limbs. This is why they have service dogs. Does the dog at least bring the food to his mouth as this guy is trembling in fear and unable to move? If the dog is physically feeding him when he has a panic attack and cannot do it himself then I am wrong. If the dog is feeding him when he cannot then it is a service dog. Tell me this dog has been trained to do something like feed him, or give him water, or grab something for him, or get him medicine. If the dog does something like that I would punch the restaurant owner in the head myself and tell him to stop being an ass.




    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post

    I wasn't addressing the dog at the point but I did after this.



    No it does not stop the attack. And it does not stop the symptoms either. What the dog does is alert him that he will have an attack and due to that warning he will be prepaired for the attack and will better manage when the attack occurs.
    So you are telling us that the dog is not reacting to his behavior patters that indicate the start of an attack, but rather he predicts attacks before they start? I am doomed, now we have a magic psychic dog. Where do i get one of those things because I really would have loved one at the beginning of this exchange to warn me that was coming.

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    How do I know it is a scam? The dog does not do anything. It is a dog. It is not a pill that alters his brain's biochemistry that would calm him like a SSRI or a tranquilizer. The dog also is not a trained psychologist or behavioral therapist. It is a dog. It sits there and drools and perhaps barks. It is not going to talk him down or confront his feelings. In this case it is the same thing that could be accomplished by focusing on any inanimate object. So then it comes down to why have a dog over something like a plushie dog? You can do the same things with a plushie you do with a real dog in his case, and there would be only 2 differences. The first would be the plushie would react in a consistent manner, and the second is that the plushie is not against health codes. So why chose a dog? let us go to the extreme. Why not chose a skunk to do this with? Are we supposed to deal with a skunk because this guy cannot eat breakfast without his pal? No, the method is based upon an object that is not defined. So when you define the object you could put anything in there. So put something you can carry with you so you do not need to deal with this. This makes it a purposeful scam so he can carry his dog with him and skirt the rules. Now whether or not he is conscious of the scam, or he has deluded himself into thinking this is right does not make much difference to me.
    So where did you get your PhD in human biochemistry and psychology from?
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I didn't think those counted.
    Just a reminder that they exist and I was not exhaustive.
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post

    So you are telling us that the dog is not reacting to his behavior patters that indicate the start of an attack, but rather he predicts attacks before they start? I am doomed, now we have a magic psychic dog. Where do i get one of those things because I really would have loved one at the beginning of this exchange to warn me that was coming.
    The dog may be racting to subtle cues that the vet is experiencing but not an obvious behavior pattern. BTW there are dogs that can alert when a person would have a epileptic seizure. In either case the dog may detect a tremor that is not visably detectable to people or may detect some particular change in breathing or the beat of the heart. It is not known.
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Service animals are typically an exception. So long as the dog doesn't go to where food is being prepared, there is nothing illegal in a dog sitting at a restaurant.
    According to state and local laws where this resturant is located, are PTSD dogs exempted? If they're not, the manager was simply covering his ass.
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So where did you get your PhD in human biochemistry and psychology from?
    If I told you would you believe me? If you did, are you an idiot to believe something some guy on the internet tells you? However, I will say I am capable of arguing on that level if you wish to show some form of study which shows how a dog acts in the same reliable way as say something like an SSRI. Feel free to go out and prove me wrong. Which I could be even if I had a PhD but do your research.

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    The dog may be racting to subtle cues that the vet is experiencing but not an obvious behavior pattern. BTW there are dogs that can alert when a person would have a epileptic seizure. In either case the dog may detect a tremor that is not visably detectable to people or may detect some particular change in breathing or the beat of the heart. It is not known.
    but that is the thing, the dog is detecting a change of an attack which has already started. Now i want to get me some of these great reliable dogs which we need to spot a panic attack in a PTSD subject. You know what i am going to do with them? If they can do this magical thing reliably and warn people of a drastic shift in mind like what would be experienced by a PTSD person, I am going to make PMS alarms. Then I am going to hook the dog up to an app which tells the woman's lover to get hagen daaz. Screw this PTSD thing, there are men all over the world who need warning of the mood change of a woman on her period. When that works and men all over the world are saved from her special friend everyone will be ready to accept a dog who is warning about a PTSD fit. I know it is not PMS. Now either I am going to make millions because you know people would buy this, or this is not terribly reliable and the guy feels the attack coming on and uses the dog as a focus.

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