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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Thank you for your open and honest response.

    My question was more general. As a Libertarian, would you find it acceptable if a business placed a sign that read:
    NO COLOREDS OR JEWS ALLOWED
    In their window. That's what the accusation was. Since the Vet was neither "colored" or Jewish, this was a case by case decision. But would it be legitimate as an overall policy?

    I'm heading out to the MN Cat Video Festival in about an hour so you may have a 5 day lag before I can read your response.
    As a Libertarian I would absolutely allow people to have such signs and business conditions. I would also allow black business owners to only hire or serve black people and to give preferential treatment in living accommodations, college scholarships, etc. Government...thats a different beast altogether but private citizens? Sure.

    I think the best response to a private business decision would be an economic boycott by citizens. BTW...thats the same thing that is often advocated by pro gay rights groups and minority groups as well. Dont like someones ideas, policies, politics, or practices? Fine...dont go there.

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    As a Libertarian I would absolutely allow people to have such signs and business conditions. I would also allow black business owners to only hire or serve black people and to give preferential treatment in living accommodations, college scholarships, etc. Government...thats a different beast altogether but private citizens? Sure.

    I think the best response to a private business decision would be an economic boycott by citizens. BTW...thats the same thing that is often advocated by pro gay rights groups and minority groups as well. Dont like someones ideas, policies, politics, or practices? Fine...dont go there.
    Again, thanks for the honest reply. Would I assume that SSM would be fine with you in principle since it's "their decision"? I realize that's off track but I'm genuinely trying to understand. I voted Libertarian in their last election because the 2 main choices were unacceptable to me, albeit for different reasons. I'm interested in Libertarianism because of the attitude toward drugs and wars, which I agree with. But I come here to learn things - not to trade insults. And I do learn things here, some valuable things, after I do my wheat/chaff thingy. No political party has my undying loyalty, each topic must be examined.

    Respect,
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    See ya next week.

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Here we go again. The patron committed what incredible sin? Asking the business owner to adhere to a federal law.
    And the business owner committed what incredible sin? Asking the patron to eat breakfast elsewhere.

    It's hard to get so worked up over something so trivial.

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    And the business owner committed what incredible sin? Asking the patron to eat breakfast elsewhere.

    It's hard to get so worked up over something so trivial.
    If it were not for the fact that you were wrong, you would have a point.
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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Too bad they didnt have them back in the day.
    I used to work with a Viet Nam Vet (tunnel rat) that suffered from PTSD and rage.
    He was the manager of the parts store I worked at right out of highschool.
    Never knew when a can of oil or a box of spark plugs would come flying through the air.

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Again, thanks for the honest reply. Would I assume that SSM would be fine with you in principle since it's "their decision"? I realize that's off track but I'm genuinely trying to understand. I voted Libertarian in their last election because the 2 main choices were unacceptable to me, albeit for different reasons. I'm interested in Libertarianism because of the attitude toward drugs and wars, which I agree with. But I come here to learn things - not to trade insults. And I do learn things here, some valuable things, after I do my wheat/chaff thingy. No political party has my undying loyalty, each topic must be examined.

    Respect,
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    See ya next week.
    The Libertarian party platform supports gay marriage. i am fine with gay marriage provided that it is passed on a state level by its citizens. I guess you could say my position is similar to Obama's.

    The Libertarian 'party' is no different than the party machine of the dems and GOP. Their biggest problem is that most of what they promote is the ridiculous (example-legalizing drugs for example-rather than holding a position that states/citizens should decide and that the fed should be involved in one thing...illegal trafficking). If instead they focused on strong individual rights and responsible NECESSARY government, their membership levels would grow. However they have the same party problems as the other two in that so many party members believe there is no room for independent thought on matters.

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Too bad they didnt have them back in the day.
    I used to work with a Viet Nam Vet (tunnel rat) that suffered from PTSD and rage.
    He was the manager of the parts store I worked at right out of highschool.
    Never knew when a can of oil or a box of spark plugs would come flying through the air.
    I knew a guy in a similar condition back in the 80's. Dood NEVER SLEPT. I would come home from bodyguard details at 3-4 in the AM and would find him in his backyard gardening. Sleeping meant dreaming and dreaming...no beuno...

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    And the business owner committed what incredible sin? Asking the patron to eat breakfast elsewhere.
    Sin? Sin of being an ahole.
    Sin of having no compassion or empathy for a person with an illness.
    My bet is he is some jerk off that got turned down for service and now has a chip on his little shoulder.
    How a nation, and people, treat animals and those with real problems says alot about those people.
    I hope a real turn down in biz enlightens this man.

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    One of the this gs I lobed about Colorado was that your dog need not be a service dog to be allowed at most establishments.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Restaurant refuses Iraq War Veteran and service dog

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The Libertarian party platform supports gay marriage. i am fine with gay marriage provided that it is passed on a state level by its citizens. I guess you could say my position is similar to Obama's.

    The Libertarian 'party' is no different than the party machine of the dems and GOP. Their biggest problem is that most of what they promote is the ridiculous (example-legalizing drugs for example-rather than holding a position that states/citizens should decide and that the fed should be involved in one thing...illegal trafficking). If instead they focused on strong individual rights and responsible NECESSARY government, their membership levels would grow. However they have the same party problems as the other two in that so many party members believe there is no room for independent thought on matters.
    That is an excellent analysis. There are at least 3 sides to everything, sometimes more, and these Parties always park themselves at the most extreme. So instead of progress, we get conflict.

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