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Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

Conservative said:
Aw yes, cost of living doesn't matter, does it? You failed by claiming that I was wasn't economically benefited by living in TX and that is your opinion which just isn't true.
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Not when you're still not making enough even at that level. Not when your health care and education and other indicators show you just don't measure up. Nope. Not much. :coffeepap
 
Boo is easily amused, too bad he's too married to a corrupted ideology to

seriously discuss the point of the OP.

That the idiots out numbered the people with a brain in the last two elections and real people are suffering for it.

How many times has Obama or some other political hack told us that things were "improving" ?

Things are NOT improving, they're getting much worse and Texas, a State that's growing, taking in all of the people that have had to flee their corrupted Blue Plague States for work, is a thorn in Obama's side.

We elect Politicians here that are actually competent, and it shows.
 
Boo Radley said:
Not when you're still not making enough even at that level. Not when your health care and education and other indicators show you just don't measure up. Nope. Not much. :coffeepap
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Still waiting to see where I lied and where I claimed that TX healthcare is better than MA? You broadbrush everything and ignore anything that refutes your opinions. You continue to show how little you know.
 
Conservative said:
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Still waiting to see where I lied and where I claimed that TX healthcare is better than MA? You broadbrush everything and ignore anything that refutes your opinions. You continue to show how little you know.
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:lamo:lamo:lamo

So, having been shown wrong, two you repeated and shown wrong yet again, you're going to try and hang your hat on the third one?

:lamo:lamo
 
Fenton said:
Boo is easily amused, too bad he's too married to a corrupted ideology to

seriously discuss the point of the OP.

That the idiots out numbered the people with a brain in the last two elections and real people are suffering for it.

How many times has Obama or some other political hack told us that things were "improving" ?

Things are NOT improving, they're getting much worse and Texas, a State that's growing, taking in all of the people that have had to flee their corrupted Blue Plague States for work, is a thorn in Obama's side.

We elect Politicians here that are actually competent, and it shows.
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Project much? :lamo
 
Boo Radley said:
Not when you're still not making enough
even at that level. Not when your health care and education and other indicators show you just don't measure up. Nope. Not much. :coffeepap
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Is it Texas's fault that millions of morons elected a incompetent Jr Senator who signed a law that killed the 40 hour work week ?

Is it Texas's fault the Federal Government won't enforce its immigration laws allowing Texas Cities to be filled with millions of illegal aliens ?

We have entire school districts down here in thr valley that are dedicated to educating another Countries youth.

But even with the incompetence sitting in the Oval office people still run to this State.

Because Liberalism, the ideology you promote has caused untold misery, joblessness and poverty to rise up in our Country.

And you have the nerve to critique one of the only States that give some of these people and their families a second chance.

Well, you're a Liberal for a reason I suppose
 
Fenton said:
Is it Texas's fault that millions of morons elected a incompetent Jr Senator who signed a law that killed the 40 hour work week ?

Is it Texas's fault the Federal Government won't enforce its immigration laws allowing Texas Cities to be filled with millions of illegal aliens ?

We have entire school districts down here in thr valley that are dedicated to educating another Countries youth.

But even with the incompetence sitting in the Oval office people still run to this State.

Because Liberalism, the ideology you promote has caused untold misery, joblessness and poverty to rise up in our Country.

And you have the nerve to critique one of the only States that give some of these people and their families a second chance.

Well, you're a Liberal for a reason I suppose
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Yes, it is. Texas leadership doesn't want the boarder closed either. Note how much they use that cheap labor.

A 2006 study by the Texas State Comptroller estimated that the 1.4 million undocumented immigrants in Texas alone added almost $18 billion to the state's economic output, and more than paid for the $1.2 billion in state services they used by generating $1.6 billion in new state revenues.

The New York Times Upfront | The news magazine for high school

Of jobs created in Texas since 2007, 81 percent were taken by newly arrived immigrant workers (legal and illegal).

Who Benefited from Job Growth In Texas? | Center for Immigration Studies

And for the record, I didn't bring Texas up. You don't want it critiqued, tell Conservative not to present it as an example. ;)
 
Snappo said:
At the risk of sounding non-compassionate, I want to share some thoughts on the economy. I work in the consulting field. I have been there for a long time. It is a field filled with folks that are very accomplished academically. I have yet to meet an out of work Ph.D., an out of work MBA, an out of work MD, DO, PA, or an out of work DDS. I have yet to meet an out of work MSN, BSN, RN, or even CNA; or an out of work person with an EE or ME undergrad degree. When I see studies comparing unemployment to academia; it is clear that the only people being hit are those who either never finished high school, never finished college, or picked a college undergrad in something frivolous like music appreciation or art appreciation. I have a hard time feeling sorry for someone who poorly planned out their lives. How can I feel sorry for someone who drops out of high school and then can't find a job working in a coal mine or at a carpet mill because manufacturing is leaving USA or coal is no longer being used for power generation?
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Thanks Snappo, and sorry it took so long to reply, but as a truck driver, I go out away from the computer for a couple of days at a time....I can post from my phone, but only shorter postings...I'd like to address this post from you, and since you made several points, I'll take each one separately if that's ok...

1. Your personal experience, although useful for you in your area, not so much as an indicator for the nation. Not trying to be snarky here, but there is story after story on the net about today's graduates moving back home, no jobs, taking jobs at Walmart, or McDonalds because they can't get into their field, or that their student loans are so costly they don't have a choice but to move home with mom and dad...

2. Not everyone is cut out for college. You mention dropping out of High School, and on that I agree with you completely. But, since we are talking anecdotally here, allow me to give you a circumstance of mine...I have three young adults living with me right now. 1. my daughter is working full time, and going through nursing school doing well. 2. My son who tried to go to college, had problems and re assessed, and is now working full time at WalMart, and considering a trade school like Welding, or Plumbing to get into. 3. We also have a niece living with us, that after taking a course to certify her as a Medical Assistant, hates the profession, and is working a factory job making parts for BMW.

So, that's two out of three that are just not cut out to get through college, would you callously just shrug them off too?

You can't find a job working in a coal mine because Obama and progressives are initiating regulations that are choking off coal, and costing those already working in those mines their jobs. Carpet mills? Are you kidding? I live in SC, which used to be a textile hub for the nation, and export, now all but gone!

A new report today shows 90 million are just GONE from the work force participation. That is the worst I think I have ever seen. So, before the next Obamaphile comes in here and touts the great recovery, they need to remember this fact....The falling unemployment is phoney, and false.
 
Boo Radley said:
:lamo:lamo:lamo

So, having been shown wrong, two you repeated and shown wrong yet again, you're going to try and hang your hat on the third one?

:lamo:lamo
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Not sure what you think you did but you have not proven ME wrong. Did it ever cross your mind that I am not in that group and that not all Texans are in that group? Of course not because with a liberal you think with your heart and not your brain. I am waiting for you to prove that I AM WRONG? You don't know me, have no idea of my income or expenses, where I live but you pick out an area of TX, a report that you want to believe and ignore the population of TX, the diversity of TX, the cost of living in TX, the economic climate in TX, the independence in TX all to promote your idea of a massive central govt. and a quality of life that conforms to your ideology. Sorry, but you just aren't that bright nor have you proved ME wrong.
 
greengirl77 said:
Texas has nation

Most minimum wage workers! Thanks Rethugs
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Again, another liberal who has no idea what they are talking about and has no concept of what the report eliminates. Do you see California on there? How about New York? How about Illinois? Of course not because this report only measures states with Federal Minimum wage. California has over three times the number of people working for minimum wage than TX and the California minimum wage is $8. Want to try and live in California for $8 an hour? What is your problem? Stop buying the rhetoric and think for a change. States that have a higher minimum wage than TX have a higher cost of living than TX and aren't counted in the report.
 
j-mac said:
So, can we now say that Obama policies are making it worse for the poor, and middle class yet...?
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Sadly this is probably the new normal. We are in the start of an historical era where much labor is now unnecessary and it will hit the low skill- low education group very hard . No president is going to be able to do anything about it short of a New Deal WPA labor program.
 
haymarket said:
Sadly this is probably the new normal.
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So, the message is to give up and accept it? My answer would be NO!

We are in the start of an historical era where much labor is now unnecessary and it will hit the low skill- low education group very hard.
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Well, now that wasn't, or isn't the message heard out of Obama, and Washington is it now? Can you imagine if Obama would just say what you have here? How do you think that would be received by the public?

No president is going to be able to do anything about it short of a New Deal WPA labor program.
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Centralizing more government control is NOT the answer. Isn't it clear to you by now that this big government path is failing?
 
Conservative said:
Not sure what you think you did but you have not proven ME wrong. Did it ever cross your mind that I am not in that group and that not all Texans are in that group? Of course not because with a liberal you think with your heart and not your brain. I am waiting for you to prove that I AM WRONG? You don't know me, have no idea of my income or expenses, where I live but you pick out an area of TX, a report that you want to believe and ignore the population of TX, the diversity of TX, the cost of living in TX, the economic climate in TX, the independence in TX all to promote your idea of a massive central govt. and a quality of life that conforms to your ideology. Sorry, but you just aren't that bright nor have you proved ME wrong.
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Denial is a wonderful thing. :lamo:lamo:lamo
 
j-mac said:
So, the message is to give up and accept it? My answer would be NO!
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When we went from an agriculturally based economy to an industrial revolution there was a huge transference of labor from one area to the next. In fact, in the USA, there was not even enough farm labor for available factory jobs and we went overseas and admitted tens of millions of immigrants to work in the factories. Sadly, with the technological economy - there is no such lateral transference.

What are you going to do to change that reality?


Well, now that wasn't, or isn't the message heard out of Obama, and Washington is it now? Can you imagine if Obama would just say what you have here? How do you think that would be received by the public?
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Neither President Obama nor any other politician has anything to do with this new reality. We are fast approaching a historical era where the vast majority of people are simply no longer necessary to make the world run.





Centralizing more government control is NOT the answer. Isn't it clear to you by now that this big government path is failing?
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So what is your solution to this problem if government is to have no role?
 
haymarket said:
When we went from an agriculturally based economy to an industrial revolution there was a huge transference of labor from one area to the next. In fact, in the USA, there was not even enough farm labor for available factory jobs and we went overseas and admitted tens of millions of immigrants to work in the factories. Sadly, with the technological economy - there is no such lateral transference.

What are you going to do to change that reality?
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What am "I" going to do? I'm a truck driver dude, not a policy maker, I have very little, if any ability to change anything on a macro scale like this. What I can do I guess is to make my feelings known to my representatives, and use my vote when they don't do things that I think would aid the proper course. Other than that, not really sure what you want here?

Neither President Obama nor any other politician has anything to do with this new reality. We are fast approaching a historical era where the vast majority of people are simply no longer necessary to make the world run.
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Nonsense. It is the President's job to sell our products to other countries, just as it is a Governors job to sell his state so that business comes there. Obama, and progressives seem to have the attitude that America sucks, and that isn't a great selling position now is it?

So what is your solution to this problem if government is to have no role?
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My solution is to work to elect more people that understand limited government.
 
j-mac said:
My solution is to work to elect more people that understand limited government.
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Ideology may further purely political interests but it is no answer for technology which renders much traditional labor as obsolete.

Ideology based on a self imposed politically based belief system will destroy us all if it cannot find gainful employment for the masses of people rendered as obsolete by technology.

Until you face that - the new reality is a problem for all of us. The problem of hundreds of millions - perhaps billions of people - without jobs is the problem for all of us. we must find a solution for that or it will destroy the rest of us. Or do you think that billions of people will just be content to watch their version of IDOL and wallow in conservative ideology and accept that?
 
haymarket said:
Ideology may further purely political interests but it is no answer for technology which renders much traditional labor as obsolete.

Ideology based on a self imposed politically based belief system will destroy us all if it cannot find gainful employment for the masses of people rendered as obsolete by technology.

Until you face that - the new reality is a problem for all of us. The problem of hundreds of millions - perhaps billions of people - without jobs is the problem for all of us. we must find a solution for that or it will destroy the rest of us. Or do you think that billions of people will just be content to watch their version of IDOL and wallow in conservative ideology and accept that?
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Well, then I'll pose your own question back at ya....What is your solution? What are you going to do about it?
 
j-mac said:
Well, then I'll pose your own question back at ya....What is your solution? What are you going to do about it?
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If you want people to walk the straight and narrow you have to find room for them on the path. A society which does not make room will write its own epithet.

We have only two choices: to find a way to employ hundreds of million of people so they can be productive and good citizens in a time where their normal labor becomes useless in many endeavors - or - we face very angry hundreds of millions of people who become bored with the Roman circus offered to them and decide to put down the remote and pick up other items of choice.

Conservative ideology wedded to capitalism and rugged individualism is impotent to handle this as the ideologues will never abandon the very principles that work against full employment - even if that is make work as we did during the Depression.

So job one is to face the reality of the 21st century as it applies to vast numbers of people being otherwise worthless in a capitalist/corporate system.
Step two is to attack and demonize and ideology which is wedded to the past glorifying the virtues of a capitalist/corporate system which - when enacted into law and practice - will only force society closer and closer to the precipice.
Step three is to accept the necessary change and have government help to create an environment where work is created and people can be employed and feel like productive citizens with a stake in preserving the system rather than attacking and destroying the system.

That is what I am doing about it.


And now its your turn to answer the question.
 
haymarket said:
If you want people to walk the straight and narrow you have to find room for them on the path. A society which does not make room will write its own epithet.

We have only two choices: to find a way to employ hundreds of million of people so they can be productive and good citizens in a time where their normal labor becomes useless in many endeavors - or - we face very angry hundreds of millions of people who become bored with the Roman circus offered to them and decide to put down the remote and pick up other items of choice.

Conservative ideology wedded to capitalism and rugged individualism is impotent to handle this as the ideologues will never abandon the very principles that work against full employment - even if that is make work as we did during the Depression.

So job one is to face the reality of the 21st century as it applies to vast numbers of people being otherwise worthless in a capitalist/corporate system.
Step two is to attack and demonize and ideology which is wedded to the past glorifying the virtues of a capitalist/corporate system which - when enacted into law and practice - will only force society closer and closer to the precipice.
Step three is to accept the necessary change and have government help to create an environment where work is created and people can be employed and feel like productive citizens with a stake in preserving the system rather than attacking and destroying the system.

That is what I am doing about it.


And now its your turn to answer the question.
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I think that j-mac is waiting for this question from one of his children. ":2wave:Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver? "
 
haymarket said:
Ideology may further purely political interests but it is no answer for
technology which renders much traditional labor as obsolete.

Ideology based on a self imposed politically based belief system will destroy us all if it cannot find gainful employment for the masses of people rendered as obsolete by technology.

Until you face that - the new reality is a problem for all of us. The problem of hundreds of millions - perhaps billions of people - without jobs is the problem for all of us. we must find a solution for that or it will destroy the rest of us. Or do you think that billions of people will just be content to watch their version of IDOL and wallow in conservative ideology and accept that?
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Lol....see that Robot in my Avatar ? My 6 year old Son made it on MS Paint.

I asked if I could use it and he said " sure Dad".

It's the evil job killing Robot. You see apparently " SkyNet" © became self aware and created a legion of evil Robots to steal our jobs....

Yes I know, it's better than Ole' " Sky Net" © itself executing primary over rides over our own Ballistic Missles and exterminating us via thermal nuclear holocaust but having your job stolen by a robot sucks too.

I just thought the excuse of a " accute and unkown technological breakthrough" as a reason for High Unemployment was hillarious.

Several of your ilk have brought it up.
 
Donc said:
I think that j-mac is waiting for this question from one of his children. ":2wave:Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver? "
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It will happen. And when it does - as it will to most - they will realize the old beliefs no longer provide answers for a world in which labor is now a commodity that most cannot sell because it is not needed nor wanted in the world of the future. And all the brave talk about free markets and small government and rugged individualism will mean precious little when they decide that 'let them eat cake' is far from comforting for they and their family.
 
Fenton said:
Lol....see that Robot in my Avatar ? My 6 year old Son made it on MS Paint.

I asked if I could use it and he said " sure Dad".

It's the evil job killing Robot. You see apparently " SkyNet" © became self aware and created a legion of evil Robots to steal our jobs....

Yes I know, it's better than Ole' " Sky Net" © itself executing primary over rides over our own Ballistic Missles and exterminating us via thermal nuclear holocaust but having your job stolen by a robot sucks too.

I just thought the excuse of a " accute and unkown technological breakthrough" as a reason for High Unemployment was hillarious.

Several of your ilk have brought it up.
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Of course you take this ridiculous tact only to protect your own skull from imploding when the realization hits of your own ideological bankruptcy and how it will fail not only America but the world. If your son is lucky, he finds a spot that his talents and skills can provide. If he is not - he becomes on of those who laugh at your platitudes and sees the old man as a defender of the rotting past that is holding down hundreds of million like himself.

Do you think a tape from Glen Beck or Sean Hannity will give him solace?
 
haymarket said:
If you want people to walk the straight and narrow you have to find room for them on the path. A society which does not make room will write its own epithet.

We have only two choices: to find a way to employ hundreds of million of people so they can be productive and good citizens in a time where their normal labor becomes useless in many endeavors - or - we face very angry hundreds of millions of people who become bored with the Roman circus offered to them and decide to put down the remote and pick up other items of choice.

Conservative ideology wedded to capitalism and rugged individualism is impotent to handle this as the ideologues will never abandon the very principles that work against full employment - even if that is make work as we did during the Depression.

So job one is to face the reality of the 21st century as it applies to vast numbers of people being otherwise worthless in a capitalist/corporate system.

Step two is to attack and demonize and ideology which is wedded to the past glorifying the virtues of a capitalist/corporate system which - when enacted into law and practice - will only force society closer and closer to the precipice.

Step three is to accept the necessary change and have government help to create an environment where work is created and people can be employed and feel like productive citizens with a stake in preserving the system rather than attacking and destroying the system.

That is what I am doing about it.


And now its your turn to answer the question.
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But you're not a socialist right?
 
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