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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Can you name me one stable government in one functioning nation on the earth that does not engage in what you would label as this silly "initiation of aggression against others"?
    No. That s the nature of governments. They initiate aggression*. That's what distinguishes them from non-governments.

    * Violation of or damage to another person's body; or trespass upon, damage to, or taking of something owned by another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Right. So you agree that they are not the first ones to use aggression. It is the government that is the first one to use aggression.
    It is the lawbreaker who begins the process with their crime. They are the one who initiate the process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    No. That s the nature of governments. They initiate aggression*. That's what distinguishes them from non-governments.

    * Violation of or damage to another person's body; or trespass upon, damage to, or taking of something owned by another.
    So you admit that there is no functioning nation on the planet who does not engage in what you label as "initiation of aggression against others".

    Can you point to any governments in history which had a functioning government which did not engage in what you label as "initiation of aggression against others"?
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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is the lawbreaker who begins the process with their crime. They are the one who initiate the process.

    Who is "the lawbreaker"? And what are their crimes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Who is "the lawbreaker"? And what are their crimes?
    A lawbreaker is anyone who breaks the law. Their crime is whatever law they have broken. I would have thought that is fairly self evident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    A lawbreaker is anyone who breaks the law. Their crime is whatever law they have broken. I would have thought that is fairly self evident.
    Oh for God's sake! Do we have to play this game? Just answer the question...You are throwing out the term as if you have someone specific in mind, I am asking who that is....
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is the lawbreaker who begins the process with their crime. They are the one who initiate the process.
    Yes, we agree. They start the process, and the government responds with the first use of aggression*.

    This is the system I predicted many posts ago that you would support. You support the state initiating, ie. being the first user of, aggression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So you admit that there is no functioning nation on the planet who does not engage in what you label as "initiation of aggression against others".

    Can you point to any governments in history which had a functioning government which did not engage in what you label as "initiation of aggression against others"?
    Can I point to any initiator of aggression that didn't engage in the initiation of aggression?

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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh for God's sake! Do we have to play this game? Just answer the question...You are throwing out the term as if you have someone specific in mind, I am asking who that is....
    How can it be explained any clearer so you will understand. A person breaks the law of the land is a lawbreaker. The crime is whatever law they have broken.

    What is so difficult about this to understand for you?

    I taught Government for 33 years and even the slowest kid in class could comprehend that rather simple concept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Can I point to any initiator of aggression that didn't engage in the initiation of aggression?
    What does that nonsense have to do with my question to you?

    Originally Posted by haymarket
    So you admit that there is no functioning nation on the planet who does not engage in what you label as "initiation of aggression against others".

    Can you point to any governments in history which had a functioning government which did not engage in what you label as "initiation of aggression against others"?
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