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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When we went from an agriculturally based economy to an industrial revolution there was a huge transference of labor from one area to the next. In fact, in the USA, there was not even enough farm labor for available factory jobs and we went overseas and admitted tens of millions of immigrants to work in the factories. Sadly, with the technological economy - there is no such lateral transference.

    What are you going to do to change that reality?
    What am "I" going to do? I'm a truck driver dude, not a policy maker, I have very little, if any ability to change anything on a macro scale like this. What I can do I guess is to make my feelings known to my representatives, and use my vote when they don't do things that I think would aid the proper course. Other than that, not really sure what you want here?

    Neither President Obama nor any other politician has anything to do with this new reality. We are fast approaching a historical era where the vast majority of people are simply no longer necessary to make the world run.
    Nonsense. It is the President's job to sell our products to other countries, just as it is a Governors job to sell his state so that business comes there. Obama, and progressives seem to have the attitude that America sucks, and that isn't a great selling position now is it?

    So what is your solution to this problem if government is to have no role?
    My solution is to work to elect more people that understand limited government.
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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    My solution is to work to elect more people that understand limited government.
    Ideology may further purely political interests but it is no answer for technology which renders much traditional labor as obsolete.

    Ideology based on a self imposed politically based belief system will destroy us all if it cannot find gainful employment for the masses of people rendered as obsolete by technology.

    Until you face that - the new reality is a problem for all of us. The problem of hundreds of millions - perhaps billions of people - without jobs is the problem for all of us. we must find a solution for that or it will destroy the rest of us. Or do you think that billions of people will just be content to watch their version of IDOL and wallow in conservative ideology and accept that?
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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Ideology may further purely political interests but it is no answer for technology which renders much traditional labor as obsolete.

    Ideology based on a self imposed politically based belief system will destroy us all if it cannot find gainful employment for the masses of people rendered as obsolete by technology.

    Until you face that - the new reality is a problem for all of us. The problem of hundreds of millions - perhaps billions of people - without jobs is the problem for all of us. we must find a solution for that or it will destroy the rest of us. Or do you think that billions of people will just be content to watch their version of IDOL and wallow in conservative ideology and accept that?
    Well, then I'll pose your own question back at ya....What is your solution? What are you going to do about it?
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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

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    Denial is a wonderful thing.
    Projecting is a wonderful thing too especially to a liberal who then never has to admit they were wrong.

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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, then I'll pose your own question back at ya....What is your solution? What are you going to do about it?
    If you want people to walk the straight and narrow you have to find room for them on the path. A society which does not make room will write its own epithet.

    We have only two choices: to find a way to employ hundreds of million of people so they can be productive and good citizens in a time where their normal labor becomes useless in many endeavors - or - we face very angry hundreds of millions of people who become bored with the Roman circus offered to them and decide to put down the remote and pick up other items of choice.

    Conservative ideology wedded to capitalism and rugged individualism is impotent to handle this as the ideologues will never abandon the very principles that work against full employment - even if that is make work as we did during the Depression.

    So job one is to face the reality of the 21st century as it applies to vast numbers of people being otherwise worthless in a capitalist/corporate system.
    Step two is to attack and demonize and ideology which is wedded to the past glorifying the virtues of a capitalist/corporate system which - when enacted into law and practice - will only force society closer and closer to the precipice.
    Step three is to accept the necessary change and have government help to create an environment where work is created and people can be employed and feel like productive citizens with a stake in preserving the system rather than attacking and destroying the system.

    That is what I am doing about it.


    And now its your turn to answer the question.
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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If you want people to walk the straight and narrow you have to find room for them on the path. A society which does not make room will write its own epithet.

    We have only two choices: to find a way to employ hundreds of million of people so they can be productive and good citizens in a time where their normal labor becomes useless in many endeavors - or - we face very angry hundreds of millions of people who become bored with the Roman circus offered to them and decide to put down the remote and pick up other items of choice.

    Conservative ideology wedded to capitalism and rugged individualism is impotent to handle this as the ideologues will never abandon the very principles that work against full employment - even if that is make work as we did during the Depression.

    So job one is to face the reality of the 21st century as it applies to vast numbers of people being otherwise worthless in a capitalist/corporate system.
    Step two is to attack and demonize and ideology which is wedded to the past glorifying the virtues of a capitalist/corporate system which - when enacted into law and practice - will only force society closer and closer to the precipice.
    Step three is to accept the necessary change and have government help to create an environment where work is created and people can be employed and feel like productive citizens with a stake in preserving the system rather than attacking and destroying the system.

    That is what I am doing about it.


    And now its your turn to answer the question.
    I think that j-mac is waiting for this question from one of his children. "Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver? "
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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Ideology may further purely political interests but it is no answer for
    technology which renders much traditional labor as obsolete.

    Ideology based on a self imposed politically based belief system will destroy us all if it cannot find gainful employment for the masses of people rendered as obsolete by technology.

    Until you face that - the new reality is a problem for all of us. The problem of hundreds of millions - perhaps billions of people - without jobs is the problem for all of us. we must find a solution for that or it will destroy the rest of us. Or do you think that billions of people will just be content to watch their version of IDOL and wallow in conservative ideology and accept that?
    Lol....see that Robot in my Avatar ? My 6 year old Son made it on MS Paint.

    I asked if I could use it and he said " sure Dad".

    It's the evil job killing Robot. You see apparently " SkyNet" became self aware and created a legion of evil Robots to steal our jobs....

    Yes I know, it's better than Ole' " Sky Net" itself executing primary over rides over our own Ballistic Missles and exterminating us via thermal nuclear holocaust but having your job stolen by a robot sucks too.

    I just thought the excuse of a " accute and unkown technological breakthrough" as a reason for High Unemployment was hillarious.

    Several of your ilk have brought it up.

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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by Donc View Post
    I think that j-mac is waiting for this question from one of his children. "Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver? "
    It will happen. And when it does - as it will to most - they will realize the old beliefs no longer provide answers for a world in which labor is now a commodity that most cannot sell because it is not needed nor wanted in the world of the future. And all the brave talk about free markets and small government and rugged individualism will mean precious little when they decide that 'let them eat cake' is far from comforting for they and their family.
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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol....see that Robot in my Avatar ? My 6 year old Son made it on MS Paint.

    I asked if I could use it and he said " sure Dad".

    It's the evil job killing Robot. You see apparently " SkyNet" became self aware and created a legion of evil Robots to steal our jobs....

    Yes I know, it's better than Ole' " Sky Net" itself executing primary over rides over our own Ballistic Missles and exterminating us via thermal nuclear holocaust but having your job stolen by a robot sucks too.

    I just thought the excuse of a " accute and unkown technological breakthrough" as a reason for High Unemployment was hillarious.

    Several of your ilk have brought it up.
    Of course you take this ridiculous tact only to protect your own skull from imploding when the realization hits of your own ideological bankruptcy and how it will fail not only America but the world. If your son is lucky, he finds a spot that his talents and skills can provide. If he is not - he becomes on of those who laugh at your platitudes and sees the old man as a defender of the rotting past that is holding down hundreds of million like himself.

    Do you think a tape from Glen Beck or Sean Hannity will give him solace?
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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If you want people to walk the straight and narrow you have to find room for them on the path. A society which does not make room will write its own epithet.

    We have only two choices: to find a way to employ hundreds of million of people so they can be productive and good citizens in a time where their normal labor becomes useless in many endeavors - or - we face very angry hundreds of millions of people who become bored with the Roman circus offered to them and decide to put down the remote and pick up other items of choice.

    Conservative ideology wedded to capitalism and rugged individualism is impotent to handle this as the ideologues will never abandon the very principles that work against full employment - even if that is make work as we did during the Depression.

    So job one is to face the reality of the 21st century as it applies to vast numbers of people being otherwise worthless in a capitalist/corporate system.

    Step two is to attack and demonize and ideology which is wedded to the past glorifying the virtues of a capitalist/corporate system which - when enacted into law and practice - will only force society closer and closer to the precipice.

    Step three is to accept the necessary change and have government help to create an environment where work is created and people can be employed and feel like productive citizens with a stake in preserving the system rather than attacking and destroying the system.

    That is what I am doing about it.


    And now its your turn to answer the question.
    But you're not a socialist right?
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

    Alexis de Tocqueville

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