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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not when you're still not making enough
    even at that level. Not when your health care and education and other indicators show you just don't measure up. Nope. Not much.
    Is it Texas's fault that millions of morons elected a incompetent Jr Senator who signed a law that killed the 40 hour work week ?

    Is it Texas's fault the Federal Government won't enforce its immigration laws allowing Texas Cities to be filled with millions of illegal aliens ?

    We have entire school districts down here in thr valley that are dedicated to educating another Countries youth.

    But even with the incompetence sitting in the Oval office people still run to this State.

    Because Liberalism, the ideology you promote has caused untold misery, joblessness and poverty to rise up in our Country.

    And you have the nerve to critique one of the only States that give some of these people and their families a second chance.

    Well, you're a Liberal for a reason I suppose

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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Is it Texas's fault that millions of morons elected a incompetent Jr Senator who signed a law that killed the 40 hour work week ?

    Is it Texas's fault the Federal Government won't enforce its immigration laws allowing Texas Cities to be filled with millions of illegal aliens ?

    We have entire school districts down here in thr valley that are dedicated to educating another Countries youth.

    But even with the incompetence sitting in the Oval office people still run to this State.

    Because Liberalism, the ideology you promote has caused untold misery, joblessness and poverty to rise up in our Country.

    And you have the nerve to critique one of the only States that give some of these people and their families a second chance.

    Well, you're a Liberal for a reason I suppose
    Yes, it is. Texas leadership doesn't want the boarder closed either. Note how much they use that cheap labor.

    A 2006 study by the Texas State Comptroller estimated that the 1.4 million undocumented immigrants in Texas alone added almost $18 billion to the state's economic output, and more than paid for the $1.2 billion in state services they used by generating $1.6 billion in new state revenues.

    The New York Times Upfront | The news magazine for high school

    Of jobs created in Texas since 2007, 81 percent were taken by newly arrived immigrant workers (legal and illegal).

    Who Benefited from Job Growth In Texas? | Center for Immigration Studies

    And for the record, I didn't bring Texas up. You don't want it critiqued, tell Conservative not to present it as an example.

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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    At the risk of sounding non-compassionate, I want to share some thoughts on the economy. I work in the consulting field. I have been there for a long time. It is a field filled with folks that are very accomplished academically. I have yet to meet an out of work Ph.D., an out of work MBA, an out of work MD, DO, PA, or an out of work DDS. I have yet to meet an out of work MSN, BSN, RN, or even CNA; or an out of work person with an EE or ME undergrad degree. When I see studies comparing unemployment to academia; it is clear that the only people being hit are those who either never finished high school, never finished college, or picked a college undergrad in something frivolous like music appreciation or art appreciation. I have a hard time feeling sorry for someone who poorly planned out their lives. How can I feel sorry for someone who drops out of high school and then can't find a job working in a coal mine or at a carpet mill because manufacturing is leaving USA or coal is no longer being used for power generation?
    Thanks Snappo, and sorry it took so long to reply, but as a truck driver, I go out away from the computer for a couple of days at a time....I can post from my phone, but only shorter postings...I'd like to address this post from you, and since you made several points, I'll take each one separately if that's ok...

    1. Your personal experience, although useful for you in your area, not so much as an indicator for the nation. Not trying to be snarky here, but there is story after story on the net about today's graduates moving back home, no jobs, taking jobs at Walmart, or McDonalds because they can't get into their field, or that their student loans are so costly they don't have a choice but to move home with mom and dad...

    2. Not everyone is cut out for college. You mention dropping out of High School, and on that I agree with you completely. But, since we are talking anecdotally here, allow me to give you a circumstance of mine...I have three young adults living with me right now. 1. my daughter is working full time, and going through nursing school doing well. 2. My son who tried to go to college, had problems and re assessed, and is now working full time at WalMart, and considering a trade school like Welding, or Plumbing to get into. 3. We also have a niece living with us, that after taking a course to certify her as a Medical Assistant, hates the profession, and is working a factory job making parts for BMW.

    So, that's two out of three that are just not cut out to get through college, would you callously just shrug them off too?

    You can't find a job working in a coal mine because Obama and progressives are initiating regulations that are choking off coal, and costing those already working in those mines their jobs. Carpet mills? Are you kidding? I live in SC, which used to be a textile hub for the nation, and export, now all but gone!

    A new report today shows 90 million are just GONE from the work force participation. That is the worst I think I have ever seen. So, before the next Obamaphile comes in here and touts the great recovery, they need to remember this fact....The falling unemployment is phoney, and false.
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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post


    So, having been shown wrong, two you repeated and shown wrong yet again, you're going to try and hang your hat on the third one?

    Not sure what you think you did but you have not proven ME wrong. Did it ever cross your mind that I am not in that group and that not all Texans are in that group? Of course not because with a liberal you think with your heart and not your brain. I am waiting for you to prove that I AM WRONG? You don't know me, have no idea of my income or expenses, where I live but you pick out an area of TX, a report that you want to believe and ignore the population of TX, the diversity of TX, the cost of living in TX, the economic climate in TX, the independence in TX all to promote your idea of a massive central govt. and a quality of life that conforms to your ideology. Sorry, but you just aren't that bright nor have you proved ME wrong.

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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Again, BLS shows there are almost 12 million working Texans and 500,000 of them make minimum wage which hardly makes TX a minimum wage mecca.
    Texas has nation

    Most minimum wage workers! Thanks Rethugs

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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    Texas has nation

    Most minimum wage workers! Thanks Rethugs
    Again, another liberal who has no idea what they are talking about and has no concept of what the report eliminates. Do you see California on there? How about New York? How about Illinois? Of course not because this report only measures states with Federal Minimum wage. California has over three times the number of people working for minimum wage than TX and the California minimum wage is $8. Want to try and live in California for $8 an hour? What is your problem? Stop buying the rhetoric and think for a change. States that have a higher minimum wage than TX have a higher cost of living than TX and aren't counted in the report.

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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, can we now say that Obama policies are making it worse for the poor, and middle class yet...?
    Sadly this is probably the new normal. We are in the start of an historical era where much labor is now unnecessary and it will hit the low skill- low education group very hard . No president is going to be able to do anything about it short of a New Deal WPA labor program.
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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Sadly this is probably the new normal.
    So, the message is to give up and accept it? My answer would be NO!

    We are in the start of an historical era where much labor is now unnecessary and it will hit the low skill- low education group very hard.
    Well, now that wasn't, or isn't the message heard out of Obama, and Washington is it now? Can you imagine if Obama would just say what you have here? How do you think that would be received by the public?

    No president is going to be able to do anything about it short of a New Deal WPA labor program.
    Centralizing more government control is NOT the answer. Isn't it clear to you by now that this big government path is failing?
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    Not sure what you think you did but you have not proven ME wrong. Did it ever cross your mind that I am not in that group and that not all Texans are in that group? Of course not because with a liberal you think with your heart and not your brain. I am waiting for you to prove that I AM WRONG? You don't know me, have no idea of my income or expenses, where I live but you pick out an area of TX, a report that you want to believe and ignore the population of TX, the diversity of TX, the cost of living in TX, the economic climate in TX, the independence in TX all to promote your idea of a massive central govt. and a quality of life that conforms to your ideology. Sorry, but you just aren't that bright nor have you proved ME wrong.
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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, the message is to give up and accept it? My answer would be NO!

    When we went from an agriculturally based economy to an industrial revolution there was a huge transference of labor from one area to the next. In fact, in the USA, there was not even enough farm labor for available factory jobs and we went overseas and admitted tens of millions of immigrants to work in the factories. Sadly, with the technological economy - there is no such lateral transference.

    What are you going to do to change that reality?


    Well, now that wasn't, or isn't the message heard out of Obama, and Washington is it now? Can you imagine if Obama would just say what you have here? How do you think that would be received by the public?
    Neither President Obama nor any other politician has anything to do with this new reality. We are fast approaching a historical era where the vast majority of people are simply no longer necessary to make the world run.





    Centralizing more government control is NOT the answer. Isn't it clear to you by now that this big government path is failing?
    So what is your solution to this problem if government is to have no role?
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