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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Drive up here and lowers it there. Closes this and opens that. As the links showed, its a push. Little overall effect at all.
    LOL, yep, drive up a little here and lower it a little there? Tell me how raising taxes and adding Obamacare lowers anything?

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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    When the government sucks money out of the economy and people are threatened with the loss of their property and worse if they don't pay up, then yes, the government is responsible. When the government puts so many hurdles in front of a business, with so many added expenses that it become like a protection racket, then yes, the government is responsible.

    Who else??
    Government didn't suck money out of the economy. That's just the rhetoric used to keep you rabid. Again, I've linked where taxes and regulations have little effect.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    It is not the same thing. The government encourages job losses in changing market conditions i.e. adding new laws such as NAFTA, GATT, etc that sent a lot of jobs overseas. While the government is not responsible for creating new jobs, it also should not engage in policies intended at destroying existing jobs without a compelling public interest like shutting down toxic polluters for instance.

    It doesn't matter that we have an effective zero percent interest rate if people are not willing to borrow hundred of millions of dollars to build or retrofit a factory if there is no reasonable expectation that whatever you produce with that factory cannot be produced cheaper overseas and imported into the US at a lower cost than producing it domestically. We are engaged in policies that subsidize the stock market to disguise horrible decisions rather than acknowledge those decisions were horrible when the vast majority of people need wages not dividends to survive and prosper.
    No, they don't. They address problems and concerns brought forth by the people of the country. Markets can be as oppressive as governments. That's why there are fewer and fewer completely free market or government controlled markets.

    Taxes and regulations have little actual effect. People buying have more of an effect. And when you outsource jobs, lower wages, and decrease benefits, you have less buyers. Consider that for a moment as to which hurts more.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, they don't. They address problems and concerns brought forth by the people of the country. Markets can be as oppressive as governments. That's why there are fewer and fewer completely free market or government controlled markets.

    Taxes and regulations have little actual effect. People buying have more of an effect. And when you outsource jobs, lower wages, and decrease benefits, you have less buyers. Consider that for a moment as to which hurts more.
    Got is, so business absorbs higher taxes and regulation costs rather than pass them on to the consumer which of course will always buy more when prices are higher? That is liberal logic and total ignorance of the facts. Cannot wait until you see the costs associated with your LLC and how you respond to them and if you feel the same why when your taxes go up and when you have to increase your expenses just to meet the qualifications of being a LLC

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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    LOL, yep, drive up a little here and lower it a little there? Tell me how raising taxes and adding Obamacare lowers anything?
    Different issue, but if we spend less recklessly, and having insurance for more might help that, there is a possibility of lowering it. But, as I say, if that was your concern, you'd advocate for UHC.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    This thread is hilarious

    Liberals are acting like it's still Hope and Change 2008

    The economic facts cannot be disputed. Obama's economic policies are a pathetic failure. He has failed all Americans. Blacks are suffering under this moron but that doesn't matter to Obama supporters. It's getting so bad that Obama supporters are starting to claim the American People had "unrealistic expectations" about Obama. You can see that mentality behind all the posts defending Obama. This is what we were promised with all the symbolism and pop culture icon branding of Obama in 2008:

    Obama Promises The World - YouTube

    Yep that Obama is such a clever speaker. Looking left to right reading his teleprompter. Well let's look at the results of his policies. The ME about to explode. An economy that is shrinking and a country that is on the decline.The guy is a used car salesmen. Not a Hope and Change messiah.

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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Got is, so business absorbs higher taxes and regulation costs rather than pass them on to the consumer which of course will always buy more when prices are higher? That is liberal logic and total ignorance of the facts. Cannot wait until you see the costs associated with your LLC and how you respond to them and if you feel the same why when your taxes go up and when you have to increase your expenses just to meet the qualifications of being a LLC
    Again, what I put out for my company is what I put out. What I charge is what I charge. Sure, there's a link in terms of recouping investment and making a profit, but taxes haven't even entered into my thinking, other than to pay them.

    But if enough people buy, regardless of taxes, I'll expand.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Government didn't suck money out of the economy. That's just the rhetoric used to keep you rabid. Again, I've linked where taxes and regulations have little effect.
    Who do you suppose is paying the salaries of all those bureaucrats telling people how to live their lives, spying on you, setting more and more regulations?

    Report: Washington, D.C., Is Now the Richest U.S. City - Derek Thompson - The Atlantic

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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Different issue, but if we spend less recklessly, and having insurance for more might help that, there is a possibility of lowering it. But, as I say, if that was your concern, you'd advocate for UHC.
    Yep but history shows no govt. social program i.e. Medicare and SS don't cost what they were supposed to cost and are burdened by waste, fraud, and abuse. There is no possibility of lowering it because there is no incentive to do so.

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    re: Report shows how recession hit families [W:391, 502]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, what I put out for my company is what I put out. What I charge is what I charge. Sure, there's a link in terms of recouping investment and making a profit, but taxes haven't even entered into my thinking, other than to pay them.

    But if enough people buy, regardless of taxes, I'll expand.
    They will when you have the investment and have to pay the taxes.

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