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    Re: Navy ready to launch first strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The Stinger is a SAM. It is useless against cruise missiles...
    They work fairly well against helicopters and jetliners taking off and landing. We keep presuming these countries "we" (which now means "President Obama") go to war with won't attack us here and abroad. Since we also make it clear the leader of those countries will be killed - as will their children etc - they have no reason not to once "we" go to war against them with missiles. Can't think of a reason they wouldn't go to war against us with missiles too - here and abroad - unless you think Syria couldn't get SAM missiles into a situation to shoot down USA airliners anywhere at all in the world.

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    Re: Navy ready to launch first strike on Syria

    How would they respond to stealth technology? A B2 bomber can send missiles at insane distances while disrupting radar systems. Plus it maybe possible for the common B1 bomber to drop bombs beyond the range of these systems.

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    Re: Navy ready to launch first strike on Syria

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    Well, you did bring up the HARM and SHRIKE, Correct? Why do you think I posted the Pic of the S 300 again? Then said what I said?
    Not in the post you quoted. HARM however do not have much trouble with mobile platforms. Reaction time is small.
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    Re: Navy ready to launch first strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    They work fairly well against helicopters and jetliners taking off and landing. We keep presuming these countries "we" (which now means "President Obama") go to war with won't attack us here and abroad. Since we also make it clear the leader of those countries will be killed - as will their children etc - they have no reason not to once "we" go to war against them with missiles. Can't think of a reason they wouldn't go to war against us with missiles too - here and abroad - unless you think Syria couldn't get SAM missiles into a situation to shoot down USA airliners anywhere at all in the world.
    None of which has anything to do with what any one is talking about here.
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    Re: Navy ready to launch first strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Is the S3000 a Stinger? Then I was not talking about that. That is why I quoted the post I responded to and mentioned the weapon system I was talking about...
    It is entirely possible for a Stinger to take out a subsonic cruise missile. Lucky? Yeah, probably, but possible never the less.

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    Re: Navy ready to launch first strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    It is entirely possible for a Stinger to take out a subsonic cruise missile. Lucky? Yeah, probably, but possible never the less.
    The odds of success are extremely remote.
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    Re: Navy ready to launch first strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Not in the post you quoted. HARM however do not have much trouble with mobile platforms. Reaction time is small.
    Meh .....were you being technical throughout your entire discussion? So is pick up and moval on the S 300.

    Yeah like I said its all the other stuff that goes with it. Assad is more than capable without the S 300s. That just locked in his total defense.

    While they agree that the S-300s are more accurate and have greater range than Assad’s current weapons systems, they say the Syrian leader is far from powerless without them. “We have seen over the past few years Russia supplying several different air-defense systems,” says Pieter Wezeman, senior researcher in the arms-transfer program of the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, which tracks weapons flows worldwide. “They [Syrian government] have really increased their capability. The missiles are both short and long range. If the S-300s do arrive, that would top it all off.” <<<<< Which we know they arrived.

    Among the missiles already in place are two regiments of S-200 surface-to-air missiles, which have a range of about 150 miles, “with no less than 240 missiles ready to be fired in a matter of minutes,” says Igor Sutyagin, a Russian military scientist and senior researcher at the London think tank, Royal United Services Institute. Sutyagin, who was jailed in Russia on charges of spying for the U.S. and freed as part of a spy-prisoner swap in 2010, says Assad “has a lot” of air-defense systems acquired from Russia, including between 12 and 20 short-range missile systems called Pantsyr-S, which have a range of about 7.5 miles and which can be mounted on vehicles. Those were delivered to Syria about a year ago, in what he believes is the latest confirmed arms shipment from Moscow. In addition, Assad has 1,200 air-defense guns and between 4,000 and 8,000 Strela portable shoulder-fired missiles. “That IS the GREAT stockpile of Russian air defense weaponry.

    Since Syrian rebels have no airplanes for Syrian forces to shoot down, Assad’s impressive air-defense arsenal has little bearing on the grueling war that has ravaged large parts of the country and killed an estimated 90,000 Syrians. But the antiaircraft weapons would be crucial if the U.N. voted to impose a no-fly zone over Syria or if Israel expands its sporadic strikes on Syria into a sustained bombing campaign. At that point, the S-300 missiles, which have a longer range and greater accuracy than Assad’s current weaponry, could inflict bigger losses and strike deep into Israel in retaliation — hence, Israel’s fury over the arms deal. With the S-300s in place, says Wezeman, “If Israel starts an air campaign, they would maybe lose a few more planes than they have until now. It is not a system which cannot be destroyed, but it would be a bigger campaign,” he says.

    Syria’s military arsenal presents the West with a far different calculus, in part explaining why no Western country has intervened militarily so far. While Gaddafi had huge stocks of weaponry, including Russian and Chinese antiaircraft missiles, much of it was discovered after Gaddafi was killed in October 2011, lying unused in warehouses. That suggested that the Libyan military did not know how to install the new weapon systems or had not had time to do so, according to military analysts. And Assad could also have learned some lessons from Gaddafi’s spectacular defeat. Gaddafi lacked long-range missiles capable of combating the high-altitude bombing strikes that NATO fighter jets conducted over Libya. “It’s against these types of operations that, for example, the S-300s or other SAMs [surface-to-air missiles] could be used with some efficiency,” Wezeman says. “In Libya the systems were old and out of date, and the Libyans did not really know how to operate them. It would be much more difficult for outsiders to intervene in Syria, in the way that took place in Libya.”.....snip~

    Syria's Air-Defense Arsenal: Russian Missiles Keeping Assad in Power | TIME.com

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    Re: Navy ready to launch first strike on Syria

    I just wonder if it's not just a huge mistake to get involved in Syria over them being accused of using weapons of mass destruction against their own people. Not from a personal standpoint though.

    In 2002, when Congress passed the resolution fro war with Iraq one of the many reasons listed for doing so was because Saddam had done the same against his own people. Just as Syria is now. Same crime, just different date, different country. It didn't take the leftists long to lose sight of this issue, including our current President, and of course a big rift developed that continues to divide and cause problems is still in place. Now granted, should Obama take action against Syria, the left will never blame him if things get tough and body bags start arriving at Dover again. But they will find an excuse or reason not to see things through and leave things unfinished.

    If this reason for war was not good enough for Iraq, it's not good enough for Syria.
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    Re: Navy ready to launch first strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    How would they respond to stealth technology? A B2 bomber can send missiles at insane distances while disrupting radar systems. Plus it maybe possible for the common B1 bomber to drop bombs beyond the range of these systems.
    So you think carpet bombing a civilian population is the way to go then?

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    Re: Navy ready to launch first strike on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    It is entirely possible for a Stinger to take out a subsonic cruise missile. Lucky? Yeah, probably, but possible never the less.
    Heya HB. Well not really with the Man Pads.....they would have to be able to keep a laser on it. Otherwise they were meant for Aircraft.


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