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Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged Chemi

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j-mac said:
So, indiscriminate bombing is the answer? It's either that, or look like a weak non player on the stage after opening his big mouth, and then doing nothing when the line is crossed....How many should be killed before we condemn whats going on, and take action to stop it?
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No I didn't say indiscriminate bombing, why would you think I was suggesting we bomb just anything without first selecting a target and knowing what it is?

Anyway I posted this in another topic but here's why I think its time to start the air campaign:

I'm almost completely convinced that its time, in fact I think it was time long ago, to get rid of Assad through the use of air power, special operations forces acting as advisors and force mutlipliers, and increased support to rebels.

Ya I know that many of these rebel groups are Islamist in nature, there's no denying the sensitivity of this situation where a bad move can lead to a bad outcome or we experience a Libya-like situation where a moderate and friendly government is in power but has trouble fully controlling its territory. But the outcomes from doing nothing are in my opinion far far far worse, war hardens people, it makes people less tolerate, more extreme, more acceptable of unwanted behavior and the longer this conflict goes on the more extreme the rebel Islamist groups will get and the more extreme the Assad government is going to get.

We need to get in there, back the moderate groups, give them advice and assistance, help them build the workings of a post-war government that can provide for its people and naturally attract people away from the extremist groups who will not be able to provide the functions of government as well. And we need to make sure we can provide more, assist better, and back folks that can offer a better solution than the extremist groups or the other groups, some of which are the same, that other middle eastern governments are backing.

The worst thing that can be done, and what I fear is being done, is taking action that only ultimately serves to extend the conflict, assistance that we are giving is not enough to decisively change the outcome at this point, that only serves to protract the conflict and drive more and more people to extremist positions or extremists groups.
 
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Wiseone said:
No I didn't say indiscriminate bombing, why would you think I was suggesting we bomb just anything without first selecting a target and knowing what it is?

Anyway I posted this in another topic but here's why I think its time to start the air campaign:

I'm almost completely convinced that its time, in fact I think it was time long ago, to get rid of Assad through the use of air power, special operations forces acting as advisors and force mutlipliers, and increased support to rebels.

Ya I know that many of these rebel groups are Islamist in nature, there's no denying the sensitivity of this situation where a bad move can lead to a bad outcome or we experience a Libya-like situation where a moderate and friendly government is in power but has trouble fully controlling its territory. But the outcomes from doing nothing are in my opinion far far far worse, war hardens people, it makes people less tolerate, more extreme, more acceptable of unwanted behavior and
the longer this conflict goes on the more extreme the rebel Islamist groups will get and the more extreme the Assad government is going to get.
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We need to get in there, back the moderate groups, give them advice and assistance, help them build the workings of a post-war government that can provide for its people and naturally attract people away from the extremist groups who will not be able to provide the functions of government as well. And we need to make sure we can provide more, assist better, and back folks that can offer a better solution than the extremist groups or the other groups, some of which are the same, that other middle eastern governments are backing.

The worst thing that can be done, and what I fear is being done, is taking action that only ultimately serves to extend the conflict, assistance that we are giving is not enough to decisively change the outcome at this point, that only serves to protract the conflict and drive more and more people to extremist positions or extremists groups.
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Well, I don't agree.
And here's why: The Syrian conflict is in the process right now of devolving into a religious war between Shia and Sunni Muslims, kind of like what we saw in Iraq. But I believe that this will be worse.

The best thing for the USA to do. AFTER it punishes the Syrian government for its use of chemical weapons, is stay out of this awful mess.

No matter who 'wins' it won't be good for the USA.
 
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shrubnose said:
Well, I don't agree.
And here's why: The Syrian conflict is in the process right now of devolving into a religious war between Shia and Sunni Muslims, kind of like what we saw in Iraq. But I believe that this will be worse.

The best thing for the USA to do. AFTER it punishes the Syrian government for its use of chemical weapons, is stay out of this awful mess.

No matter who 'wins' it won't be good for the USA.
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That's exactly what I mean, it becoming or showing signs of a Sunni/Shia religious conflict is an example of it becoming more extreme, the conflict didn't start out as a religious one by any means. And the longer the conflict goes on the more of this kind of thing we're going to see.

Someone will win this conflict eventually and we should want to influence the outcome to the best possible result for the United States, Libya is an excellent example of this. The rebels suffered from extremist groups in their ranks but they were marginalized because the US and European powers worked only with the moderate national transition council, that gave them the ability through aid and diplomatic dealings to push out the extremists. And now we have a much more friendly government in Libya that does not allow its territory to be used by terrorists, and continues to work with the US.

Syria does not have something comparable to the National Transition Council, its rebels are much more loosely organized but we can help them over come that challenge by supporting the moderates and giving them and only them aid in the form of advice and weapons to help set them up as the post-war government. What we learned from Iraq is that we should have a post-war government run by natives ready to take over the country from Day 1.
 
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katsung47 said:


Clawn plays again.
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Senior administration official lies.
 
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Wiseone said:
No I didn't say indiscriminate bombing, why would you think I was suggesting we bomb just anything without first selecting a target and knowing what it is?

Anyway I posted this in another topic but here's why I think its time to start the air campaign:

I'm almost completely convinced that its time, in fact I think it was time long ago, to get rid of Assad through the use of air power, special operations forces acting as advisors and force mutlipliers, and increased support to rebels.

Ya I know that many of these rebel groups are Islamist in nature, there's no denying the sensitivity of this situation where a bad move can lead to a bad outcome or we experience a Libya-like situation where a moderate and friendly government is in power but has trouble fully controlling its territory. But the outcomes from doing nothing are in my opinion far far far worse, war hardens people, it makes people less tolerate, more extreme, more acceptable of unwanted behavior and the longer this conflict goes on the more extreme the rebel Islamist groups will get and the more extreme the Assad government is going to get.

We need to get in there, back the moderate groups, give them advice and assistance, help them build the workings of a post-war government that can provide for its people and naturally attract people away from the extremist groups who will not be able to provide the functions of government as well. And we need to make sure we can provide more, assist better, and back folks that can offer a better solution than the extremist groups or the other groups, some of which are the same, that other middle eastern governments are backing.

The worst thing that can be done, and what I fear is being done, is taking action that only ultimately serves to extend the conflict, assistance that we are giving is not enough to decisively change the outcome at this point, that only serves to protract the conflict and drive more and more people to extremist positions or extremists groups.
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And your vision for Russia and China?
 
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Wiseone said:
Do you think he should do something?

I'm just curious, personally I think its time to start the bombing.
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Which side?
 
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shrubnose said:
Well, I don't agree.
And here's why: The Syrian conflict is in the process right now of devolving into a religious war between Shia and Sunni Muslims, kind of like what we saw in Iraq. But I believe that this will be worse.

The best thing for the USA to do. AFTER it punishes the Syrian government for its use of chemical weapons, is stay out of this awful mess.

No matter who 'wins' it won't be good for the USA.
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But the syrian government hasn't used chemical weapons. Maybe were going to get our nasty little asses punished by the Russians and Chinese for making **** up, AGAIN,!!!
 
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Wiseone said:
Do you think he should do something?

I'm just curious, personally I think its time to start the bombing.
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No Wise man would speak such insanity. You taking personal responsibility for another hundred thousand dead civilians to our bombing. What is the matter with people.
 
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Montecresto said:
But the syrian government hasn't used chemical weapons.
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 Maybe were going to get our nasty little asses punished by the Russians and Chinese for making **** up, AGAIN,!!!
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Syria is about to get a taste of what it deserves.
 
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shrubnose said:
Syria is about to get a taste of what it deserves.
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Oh, I see. Well, don't crow too loud!
 
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Montecresto said:
Maybe were going to get our nasty little asses punished by the Russians and Chinese for making **** up, AGAIN,!!!
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Whatever floats your boat, buddy...
 
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Montecresto said:
You disagree do ya?
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Yeah, getting spanked by foreigners doesn't do it for me. But, like I said, I'm not gonna judge. Whatever turns your engine, man.
 
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the_recruit said:
Yeah, getting spanked by foreigners doesn't do it for me. But, like I said, I'm not gonna judge. Whatever turns your engine, man.
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Ok, sure. But the point is that hopefully calmer heads prevail and we don't start another illegal war.
 
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Montecresto said:
Ok, sure. But the point is that hopefully calmer heads prevail and we don't start another illegal war.
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Oh I agree. What a pity Assad doesn't possess one.
 
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the_recruit said:
Oh I agree. What a pity Assad doesn't possess one.
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So you missed his interview, pity, you could have been better informed. What do ya fancy, turning Syria into a sea of glass?
 
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Montecresto said:
So you missed his interview, pity, you could have been better informed. What do ya fancy, turning Syria into a sea of glass?
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You think I'm stupid enough to believe what Assad says publicy? Why Montedresto, you wound me!
 
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the_recruit said:
You think I'm stupid enough to believe what Assad says publicy? Why Montedresto, you wound me!
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I assumed you believe what Obama says publicly. Rah rah America. Our crow is the blackest crow and all that.
 
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Montecresto said:
I assumed you believe what Obama says publicly. Rah rah America. Our crow is the blackest crow and all that.
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Again you insult my intelligence! This isn't the basement you know!
 
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the_recruit said:
Again you insult my intelligence! This isn't the basement you know!
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My apologies, sir, I was sure in another thread I witnessed your support for military force in Syria.
 
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Montecresto said:
My apologies, sir, I was sure in another thread I witnessed your support for military force in Syria.
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Now you complement me! :lol:
 
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Montecresto said:
So you missed his interview, pity, you could have been better informed.
What do ya fancy, turning Syria into a sea of glass?
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Now, that's a good idea and it could happen.
 
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Wiseone said:
No I didn't say indiscriminate bombing, why would you think I was suggesting we bomb just anything without first selecting a target and knowing what it is?
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Look who made those comments. Wiseone, you know perfectly why they fabricated an outright lie and then attributed it to you. Some of us though, do realize that certain members here are anything but honest. You never said anything about indiscriminate bombings.

I'm almost completely convinced that its time, in fact I think it was time long ago, to get rid of Assad through the use of air power, special operations forces acting as advisors and force mutlipliers, and increased support to rebels.
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You lost me at special ops. We should put exactly zero boots on the ground. All operations can be conducted from ships or from regional bases flying drones. We should risk exactly zero lives in this operation.

Ya I know that many of these rebel groups are Islamist in nature, there's no denying the sensitivity of this situation where a bad move can lead to a bad outcome or we experience a Libya-like situation where a moderate and friendly government is in power but has trouble fully controlling its territory. But the outcomes from doing nothing are in my opinion far far far worse, war hardens people, it makes people less tolerate, more extreme, more acceptable of unwanted behavior and the longer this conflict goes on the more extreme the rebel Islamist groups will get and the more extreme the Assad government is going to get.
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So let's start launching cruise missiles at military bases as well as doing the whole Kosovo metal scraps into power plants and transformer stations griefing to disrupt all power. Both can be done without risking any NATO lives.
 
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Bashir al-Assad is an ophthalmologist.

Rand Paul is an ophthalmologist.

Clearly they should be able to see eye-to-eye.
 
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shrubnose said:
Syria is about to get a taste of what it deserves.
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Were you against Bush going into Iraq?
 
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