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    Re: Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged C

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    This whole thing feels exactly like the build up to Iraq. I mean it is eerie how similar they are.
    Exactly, that's the reason for shutting this down.

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    Re: Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged C

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    How many times does one need to repeat. Obama did what you are suppose to do. Several times he sent Hillary Clinton to the UN to ask for sanctions and authorisation for use of force. EVERY SINGLE TIME we were told NO! Are you advocating he ignore international law again, and bypass our congress?
    Not one time has he asked my permission to break the law, he just went ahead and did it. Didn't matter what type law it was.

    As far as Hillary Clinton, no serious person ever paid any attention to her anyway. Why even Obama didn't even let her have control as Sec of State of Iraq and Afgan. If Obama didn't take her seriously, why should the UN?
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    Re: Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged C

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Except for the murdered ambassador, theft of shoulder launched SAMS, questionable execution of 'rights' etc...

    Im not saying Obama shouldnt go in...Im saying there should be proof and if they have it they should go in and kick ass and then get out. That was Bush's failing. The kick ass part happened...but they didnt do so well with the 'get out' part. And that is going to make Syria precarious as well. SHOULD they topple Assad, who then takes over? Which rebel group takes control? And for how long?
    Ya some things went wrong and some people died as a result, I'm not excusing it but you can't send people into harm's way forever without something bad eventually happening. Some things are just unavoidable, you can't expect total accountability of all weapons when a government topples in a civil war like that

    Anyway yes I agree we shouldn't not be there for a long time militarily, other aspects of government like the State Dept, USAID, etc should be in for the long run to support the new government so it doesn't fall apart as well. That's why between the Libya model and the Iraq model, I'd go with the Libyan one it had a post-war government already established.

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    Re: Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged C

    Syrian rebels used Sarin nerve gas, not Assad’s regime: U.N. official

    By Shaun Waterman

    The Washington Times Monday, May 6, 2013

    Testimony from victims strongly suggests it was the rebels, not the Syrian government, that used Sarin nerve gas during a recent incident in the revolution-wracked nation, a senior U.N. diplomat said Monday.

    Syrian rebels used Sarin nerve gas, not Assad's regime: U.N. official - Washington Times

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    Re: Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged C

    Quote Originally Posted by katsung47 View Post
    Syrian rebels used Sarin nerve gas, not Assad’s regime: U.N. official

    By Shaun Waterman

    The Washington Times Monday, May 6, 2013

    Testimony from victims strongly suggests it was the rebels, not the Syrian government, that used Sarin nerve gas during a recent incident in the revolution-wracked nation, a senior U.N. diplomat said Monday.

    Syrian rebels used Sarin nerve gas, not Assad's regime: U.N. official - Washington Times
    You would have thought maybe THAT would have triggered that red line, huh? I guess they forgot to say that "chemical use would only matter if it was the side we dont like."

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    Re: Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged C

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You would have thought maybe THAT would have triggered that red line, huh? I guess they forgot to say that "chemical use would only matter if it was the side we dont like."
    How sure are you that they forgot to say that?
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    Re: Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged C

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Were you against Bush going into Iraq?



    As a matter of fact I was against both Bush junior and Bush senior going into Iraq. The USA gained nothing from either one of these misadventures.

    But they weren't a total loss, Iran gained a lot at the USA's expense.

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    Re: Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged C

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Well I understand what you mean but I think these rebels, unlike those in Libya, need advisors on the ground to help them establish a true working government they haven't really come together the way they did in Libya and they need to achieve that if they are going to "win the peace" after the war.
    But do we need to have boots in Syria for that? Can't we do that in Turkey?

    Also even just conducting flights over Syria is risking lives, you can't establish a no-fly zone without your own aircraft in the area. A missile may be able to blow up a building hundreds of miles away, but you'll never shoot down an aircraft from that far off.
    That's true, but do we need to render the Syrian military completely a ground force? Do sufficient damage to the Syria air force and you can effectively knock it out. I don't see the need to turn every airframe into dust. A complete no fly zone seems more than necessary if we can simply seriously damage most of their air frames as well as knock out their run ways. The Syrians aren't flying Gripens (they probably wish they were now though).
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    ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged Chemi

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    As a matter of fact I was against both Bush junior and Bush senior going into Iraq. The USA gained nothing from either one of these misadventures.

    But they weren't a total loss, Iran gained a lot at the USA's expense.
    So what do we gain here?
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    Re: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged Chemi

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So what do we gain here?



    The satisfaction of a job well done.

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