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    Re: Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged C

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You answer the question.
    You didn't even ask me a question. Can you be any more childish?

    Anyway, back on topic. No I don't support intervention into Syria because Obama says so, because 1) he hasn't said that and 2) that's not my reason.

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    Re: Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged C

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    You didn't even ask me a question. Can you be any more childish?

    Anyway, back on topic. No I don't support intervention into Syria because Obama says so, because 1) he hasn't said that and 2) that's not my reason.

    So, indiscriminate bombing is the answer? It's either that, or look like a weak non player on the stage after opening his big mouth, and then doing nothing when the line is crossed....How many should be killed before we condemn whats going on, and take action to stop it?
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    Re: Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged C

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    You didn't even ask me a question. Can you be any more childish?

    Anyway, back on topic. No I don't support intervention into Syria because Obama says so, because 1) he hasn't said that and 2) that's not my reason.
    Is Obama spineless?
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    Re: Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged C

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, indiscriminate bombing is the answer? It's either that, or look like a weak non player on the stage after opening his big mouth, and then doing nothing when the line is crossed....How many should be killed before we condemn whats going on, and take action to stop it?
    Indiscriminate bombing is ok, since Obama is doing it
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    Re: Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged C

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Is Obama spineless?
    Yes, he is. He is spineless to the military industry complex. They are thirsty for the money when there is a sequesteration.

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    Re: Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged C

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, indiscriminate bombing is the answer? It's either that, or look like a weak non player on the stage after opening his big mouth, and then doing nothing when the line is crossed....How many should be killed before we condemn whats going on, and take action to stop it?
    No I didn't say indiscriminate bombing, why would you think I was suggesting we bomb just anything without first selecting a target and knowing what it is?

    Anyway I posted this in another topic but here's why I think its time to start the air campaign:

    I'm almost completely convinced that its time, in fact I think it was time long ago, to get rid of Assad through the use of air power, special operations forces acting as advisors and force mutlipliers, and increased support to rebels.

    Ya I know that many of these rebel groups are Islamist in nature, there's no denying the sensitivity of this situation where a bad move can lead to a bad outcome or we experience a Libya-like situation where a moderate and friendly government is in power but has trouble fully controlling its territory. But the outcomes from doing nothing are in my opinion far far far worse, war hardens people, it makes people less tolerate, more extreme, more acceptable of unwanted behavior and the longer this conflict goes on the more extreme the rebel Islamist groups will get and the more extreme the Assad government is going to get.

    We need to get in there, back the moderate groups, give them advice and assistance, help them build the workings of a post-war government that can provide for its people and naturally attract people away from the extremist groups who will not be able to provide the functions of government as well. And we need to make sure we can provide more, assist better, and back folks that can offer a better solution than the extremist groups or the other groups, some of which are the same, that other middle eastern governments are backing.

    The worst thing that can be done, and what I fear is being done, is taking action that only ultimately serves to extend the conflict, assistance that we are giving is not enough to decisively change the outcome at this point, that only serves to protract the conflict and drive more and more people to extremist positions or extremists groups.

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    Re: Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged C

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    No I didn't say indiscriminate bombing, why would you think I was suggesting we bomb just anything without first selecting a target and knowing what it is?

    Anyway I posted this in another topic but here's why I think its time to start the air campaign:

    I'm almost completely convinced that its time, in fact I think it was time long ago, to get rid of Assad through the use of air power, special operations forces acting as advisors and force mutlipliers, and increased support to rebels.

    Ya I know that many of these rebel groups are Islamist in nature, there's no denying the sensitivity of this situation where a bad move can lead to a bad outcome or we experience a Libya-like situation where a moderate and friendly government is in power but has trouble fully controlling its territory. But the outcomes from doing nothing are in my opinion far far far worse, war hardens people, it makes people less tolerate, more extreme, more acceptable of unwanted behavior and
    the longer this conflict goes on the more extreme the rebel Islamist groups will get and the more extreme the Assad government is going to get.


    We need to get in there, back the moderate groups, give them advice and assistance, help them build the workings of a post-war government that can provide for its people and naturally attract people away from the extremist groups who will not be able to provide the functions of government as well. And we need to make sure we can provide more, assist better, and back folks that can offer a better solution than the extremist groups or the other groups, some of which are the same, that other middle eastern governments are backing.

    The worst thing that can be done, and what I fear is being done, is taking action that only ultimately serves to extend the conflict, assistance that we are giving is not enough to decisively change the outcome at this point, that only serves to protract the conflict and drive more and more people to extremist positions or extremists groups.



    Well, I don't agree.
    And here's why: The Syrian conflict is in the process right now of devolving into a religious war between Shia and Sunni Muslims, kind of like what we saw in Iraq. But I believe that this will be worse.

    The best thing for the USA to do. AFTER it punishes the Syrian government for its use of chemical weapons, is stay out of this awful mess.

    No matter who 'wins' it won't be good for the USA.

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    Re: Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged C

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Well, I don't agree.
    And here's why: The Syrian conflict is in the process right now of devolving into a religious war between Shia and Sunni Muslims, kind of like what we saw in Iraq. But I believe that this will be worse.

    The best thing for the USA to do. AFTER it punishes the Syrian government for its use of chemical weapons, is stay out of this awful mess.

    No matter who 'wins' it won't be good for the USA.
    That's exactly what I mean, it becoming or showing signs of a Sunni/Shia religious conflict is an example of it becoming more extreme, the conflict didn't start out as a religious one by any means. And the longer the conflict goes on the more of this kind of thing we're going to see.

    Someone will win this conflict eventually and we should want to influence the outcome to the best possible result for the United States, Libya is an excellent example of this. The rebels suffered from extremist groups in their ranks but they were marginalized because the US and European powers worked only with the moderate national transition council, that gave them the ability through aid and diplomatic dealings to push out the extremists. And now we have a much more friendly government in Libya that does not allow its territory to be used by terrorists, and continues to work with the US.

    Syria does not have something comparable to the National Transition Council, its rebels are much more loosely organized but we can help them over come that challenge by supporting the moderates and giving them and only them aid in the form of advice and weapons to help set them up as the post-war government. What we learned from Iraq is that we should have a post-war government run by natives ready to take over the country from Day 1.

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    Re: Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged C

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    Clawn plays again.
    Senior administration official lies.

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    Re: Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged C

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    No I didn't say indiscriminate bombing, why would you think I was suggesting we bomb just anything without first selecting a target and knowing what it is?

    Anyway I posted this in another topic but here's why I think its time to start the air campaign:

    I'm almost completely convinced that its time, in fact I think it was time long ago, to get rid of Assad through the use of air power, special operations forces acting as advisors and force mutlipliers, and increased support to rebels.

    Ya I know that many of these rebel groups are Islamist in nature, there's no denying the sensitivity of this situation where a bad move can lead to a bad outcome or we experience a Libya-like situation where a moderate and friendly government is in power but has trouble fully controlling its territory. But the outcomes from doing nothing are in my opinion far far far worse, war hardens people, it makes people less tolerate, more extreme, more acceptable of unwanted behavior and the longer this conflict goes on the more extreme the rebel Islamist groups will get and the more extreme the Assad government is going to get.

    We need to get in there, back the moderate groups, give them advice and assistance, help them build the workings of a post-war government that can provide for its people and naturally attract people away from the extremist groups who will not be able to provide the functions of government as well. And we need to make sure we can provide more, assist better, and back folks that can offer a better solution than the extremist groups or the other groups, some of which are the same, that other middle eastern governments are backing.

    The worst thing that can be done, and what I fear is being done, is taking action that only ultimately serves to extend the conflict, assistance that we are giving is not enough to decisively change the outcome at this point, that only serves to protract the conflict and drive more and more people to extremist positions or extremists groups.

    And your vision for Russia and China?

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