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    Re: Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged C

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    So then you would have been satisfied with Saddams "gains" in Kuwait and perhaps later Saudi? And the rest of the world would have "gained" in that situation how?

    And could you explain how, whatever country you are from, you are perfectly fine with another country shooting at members of your military on a regular basis, so you do nothing about it?



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    Re: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged Chemi

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    GAFAW!!!! Are you kidding me? You were against both Bush's, but think Barry will do a good job? Of what exactly?



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    Re: Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged C

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Good point it may be possible to knock out their air force by purely attacking their static logistics, like airfields, fuel farms, etc. I don't know that's a question that requires an answer with a level of detail that I don't have, but if I was a military planner I'd look into it for sure.
    Indeed. This is partially why the Swedes designed their aircraft to work on unimproved runways. A Gripen crew can refuel and rearm an air frame from a long country road. This more or less forces Soviet planners into bombing every stretch of road, improved or unimproved in the entire country in any actual attack. The Swedes were giving the Soviets the proverbial finger and the "Come At Me Bro" meme. Syria is probably wishing they were flying Gripens rather than their MIGs.

    The Taiwanese, interestingly enough are attempting to do the same thing as the Swedes, they're reinforcing highways and major avenues to work as impromptu airfields in the event of a PLAA attack for their F-16s. Won't work as well though as the PLAA can simply cluster bomb the relative few major highways and big avenues.
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    Re: Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged C

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    Re: Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged C

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    This has all the hallmarks of the lead up to the Iraq invasion.

    There are just a few things that dont add up with this supposed chemical attack.

    Who benefits?: The only ones that benefit are the rebels and their backers in the west. Hence it is beyond illogical for the Assad regime to use these weapons. More about this later.

    Place it happened: It was in the last hold out in Damascus for the rebels. Why would any sane.. hell even insane person... use such weapons so close to all the international media and a few kilometres away from a UN weapons team? Makes no sense what so ever for the Assad regime to do it, but it makes a hell of a lot of sense for the rebels to do it. It would create instant knowledge that it happened, since most of the media in Syria are in Damascus. Had this attack been in another smaller city, then it could never have been verified by the media or anyone, and the time for exposure would have been long. Here it was under 24 hours and all over the media.. due to placement.

    The way it happened: From what we know from the media, the attacks came in different areas of the rebel held area. If the attack was to take the area, then why did the Assad regime gain no ground? If the attack was to gain sympathy for the rebel cause.. then it would make sense. Also, if it was Assads people who did it, then I would have thought that these well trained military personnel would have been much better at aiming and distributing the chemicals... it seemed very amateur hour.

    Previous supposed attacks: There has been several reported attacks across the country and it is disputed who carried them out, but one thing is for sure.. the rebels were heavily suspected in at least one of the attacks if not all. Even the UN and French came out and said that they suspected the rebels.. and yes the Assad regime. That can only lead to the conclusion that the rebels do have capability. And considering that parts of the rebels are radicals of the worst kind.. then you dont have to go far to see that they are more than capable of this kind of crap.

    Assad response: Yes the international investigators have now gotten access, and it took some time. But what the media does not report is that the area is under rebel control and there is fighting. What should the Assad government do.. say sure go ahead, but we cant guarantee your safety? No they of course have to negotiate a safe route with the rebels.. who they are not talking with normally.. so .. I will give the Assad regime.. very reluctantly.. the benefit of the doubt. Also the Assad regime have claimed they have found chemical weapons in tunnels they had taken from the rebels.. very odd timing, but it is not the first time they claim this, so take it as you want.

    Let me say it up front.. I do not trust either side. I certainly dont trust the Assad regime, and I distrust the ragtag rebels who are so splintered that if they managed to get rid of Assad, then it would just mean that the civil war would continue..

    But I have to look at this logically.. and there is only three reasons that Assad would use these weapons.

    1) He is a mini Hitler and wants to commit genocide. He has not shown this at all... sure he is a bastard, and is brutal, but there has not been any real systematic ethnic cleansing... aka genocide. It is war, it is nasty, but it is no where near the genocidal ethnic cleansing of Bosnia, Rawanda and WW2 Jewish ghettos and from what I have read about this man.. he aint his father.. who certainly WOULD do this.
    2) He wanted his troops to take the area.. that certainly failed.. they barely advanced if at all. So what is the point of doing it and brining down the wrath of the world? This certainly makes no sense.
    3) He is desperate and loosing.. Nope, he is actually winning the civil war, so why risk air strikes by the west if he is winning?

    So one has to ask yet again.. who benefits the most out of this. The rebels.

    Now one could say, why would the rebels gas their own people? Well they could not gas the Assad troops and people and claim that the Assad government forces were just incompetent .. that would look silly. Are they that desperate that they are willing to sacrifice their own people for political and military gain? Considering the biggest and most powerful groups are radical islamists .. they hell yea.. they have been using suicide bombings so this would not be much of a step up.

    They are also losing and the supposed gas attack on the area stopped the attacks by Assads forces in the area as I understand it. Assad was close to overrunning the area just before the attack..

    So with this attack, not only can the rebels possibly look forward to massive air strikes on Assad and his forces by the US, France and UK, but I would also wager that the amount of weapons heading their way would increase. So the motive is there.. that is for sure.

    But the propaganda war, with the help of especially the British Foreign Minister, is well under way and Assad is losing that war thanks to the western media.. and like the lead up to the Iraq war.. most of the media are not asking the hard questions.. and that is pissing me off..
    I want the truth!



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    Re: Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged C

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Send in the French to clean it up.
    French knows only to bomb on side with USA and UK.

    They can't make a war or even a simple attack alone.
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    Re: Senior Administration Official: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged C

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    This has all the hallmarks of the lead up to the Iraq invasion.

    There are just a few things that dont add up with this supposed chemical attack.

    Who benefits?: The only ones that benefit are the rebels and their backers in the west. Hence it is beyond illogical for the Assad regime to use these weapons. More about this later.

    Place it happened: It was in the last hold out in Damascus for the rebels. Why would any sane.. hell even insane person... use such weapons so close to all the international media and a few kilometres away from a UN weapons team? Makes no sense what so ever for the Assad regime to do it, but it makes a hell of a lot of sense for the rebels to do it. It would create instant knowledge that it happened, since most of the media in Syria are in Damascus. Had this attack been in another smaller city, then it could never have been verified by the media or anyone, and the time for exposure would have been long. Here it was under 24 hours and all over the media.. due to placement.

    The way it happened: From what we know from the media, the attacks came in different areas of the rebel held area. If the attack was to take the area, then why did the Assad regime gain no ground? If the attack was to gain sympathy for the rebel cause.. then it would make sense. Also, if it was Assads people who did it, then I would have thought that these well trained military personnel would have been much better at aiming and distributing the chemicals... it seemed very amateur hour.

    Previous supposed attacks: There has been several reported attacks across the country and it is disputed who carried them out, but one thing is for sure.. the rebels were heavily suspected in at least one of the attacks if not all. Even the UN and French came out and said that they suspected the rebels.. and yes the Assad regime. That can only lead to the conclusion that the rebels do have capability. And considering that parts of the rebels are radicals of the worst kind.. then you dont have to go far to see that they are more than capable of this kind of crap.

    Assad response: Yes the international investigators have now gotten access, and it took some time. But what the media does not report is that the area is under rebel control and there is fighting. What should the Assad government do.. say sure go ahead, but we cant guarantee your safety? No they of course have to negotiate a safe route with the rebels.. who they are not talking with normally.. so .. I will give the Assad regime.. very reluctantly.. the benefit of the doubt. Also the Assad regime have claimed they have found chemical weapons in tunnels they had taken from the rebels.. very odd timing, but it is not the first time they claim this, so take it as you want.

    Let me say it up front.. I do not trust either side. I certainly dont trust the Assad regime, and I distrust the ragtag rebels who are so splintered that if they managed to get rid of Assad, then it would just mean that the civil war would continue..

    But I have to look at this logically.. and there is only three reasons that Assad would use these weapons.

    1) He is a mini Hitler and wants to commit genocide. He has not shown this at all... sure he is a bastard, and is brutal, but there has not been any real systematic ethnic cleansing... aka genocide. It is war, it is nasty, but it is no where near the genocidal ethnic cleansing of Bosnia, Rawanda and WW2 Jewish ghettos and from what I have read about this man.. he aint his father.. who certainly WOULD do this.
    2) He wanted his troops to take the area.. that certainly failed.. they barely advanced if at all. So what is the point of doing it and brining down the wrath of the world? This certainly makes no sense.
    3) He is desperate and loosing.. Nope, he is actually winning the civil war, so why risk air strikes by the west if he is winning?

    So one has to ask yet again.. who benefits the most out of this. The rebels.

    Now one could say, why would the rebels gas their own people? Well they could not gas the Assad troops and people and claim that the Assad government forces were just incompetent .. that would look silly. Are they that desperate that they are willing to sacrifice their own people for political and military gain? Considering the biggest and most powerful groups are radical islamists .. they hell yea.. they have been using suicide bombings so this would not be much of a step up.

    They are also losing and the supposed gas attack on the area stopped the attacks by Assads forces in the area as I understand it. Assad was close to overrunning the area just before the attack..

    So with this attack, not only can the rebels possibly look forward to massive air strikes on Assad and his forces by the US, France and UK, but I would also wager that the amount of weapons heading their way would increase. So the motive is there.. that is for sure.

    But the propaganda war, with the help of especially the British Foreign Minister, is well under way and Assad is losing that war thanks to the western media.. and like the lead up to the Iraq war.. most of the media are not asking the hard questions.. and that is pissing me off.. I want the truth!
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    Re: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged Chemi

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    Your opinion means less than nothing to me.
    Face it Shrubnose, your steaming hypocrisy is on full display here....
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    Re: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged Chemi

    EXCLUSIVE: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack

    Rebels and local residents in Ghouta accuse Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan of providing chemical weapons to an al-Qaida linked rebel group.

    By Dale Gavlak and Yahya Ababneh | August 29, 2013

    EXCLUSIVE: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack

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    Re: ‘Very Little Doubt’ Assad Regime Behind Alleged Chemi

    Quote Originally Posted by katsung47 View Post
    EXCLUSIVE: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack

    Rebels and local residents in Ghouta accuse Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan of providing chemical weapons to an al-Qaida linked rebel group.

    By Dale Gavlak and Yahya Ababneh | August 29, 2013

    EXCLUSIVE: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack
    Notice how the supporters of attacking Syria disappeared when you put that up?

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