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    Re: Hasan Found Guilty in Fort Hood Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Interesting, didn't realize the army had this sort of rule, but it explains it right there in this article.

    "but Army rules prohibit a judge from accepting a guilty plea to charges that carry the death penalty."
    Except clearly they don't, as Bales was permitted to plead guilty to 16 capital murder charges and thus make a deal in which he avoids the DP.
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    Re: Hasan Found Guilty in Fort Hood Shooting

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    Except clearly they don't, as Bales was permitted to plead guilty to 16 capital murder charges and thus make a deal in which he avoids the DP.
    And your point is...??
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    Re: Hasan Found Guilty in Fort Hood Shooting

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    Yes, that's what happens in a war. In fact I don't know of any exception.
    Does this somehow make it more acceptable because at least in my view it is largely shrugged off by most Americans. As long as it isn't happening to those we care about people seem detached and largely uncaring.

    Who is "them"? Terrorists? I believe the people believing in democracy and human rights are very different from those who attack little girsl, women, Chrstians, Gays, Jews, atheists, and so on.
    While we may not be targeting people for those reasons we kill them all the same. In the end does it really matter? They are killed either way. At least to me it doesn't really matter if you killed me for any of the mentioned reason or you killed me because you wanted the person 30 yards away from me dead, I don't want to be killed.


    Every law in the land is 'government sanctioned'. By saying 'brown folks' are you claiming there is racism involved here?
    I wasn't trying to imply a racist motive. I meant to say what is happening is half a world away to people and places most of us have never met or seen.

    What I meant by government sanctioned, if you walked up and killed a random innocent person in the US the government would imprison you or execute you for murder. If the government orders you to kill someone it has deemed an enemy of the country (innocent or not) you are not only expected to carry out that order but you are often proclaimed a hero, protecting the people of the US, honorably serve your country, ect. So it really inst about the killing of people that seems to be wrong but instead making sure you are only killing the people they want dead.


    I think you are missing something.


    I know. It's always the other guy who is 'brainwashed'.
    Or perhaps I view every innocent human life as just as valuable as the next and do not view the killing of 13 Americans in any different light as I view us killing 13 Afghani. Yet it seems many if not most Americans do.


    Who got "the shaft" in this case?
    Thousands of innocent people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan.


    Not quite sure what you mean.
    It was my entire point. I just sorta rambled along and did not make a very good point of it.

    Some people in this thread have expressed their desire that Hasan be treated in a very bad way for killing Americans. My point was Hasan killed 13 people and some Americans seem to be full of outrage and hate toward him. So why do people not express the same detest and outrage over the US government's actions which have killed thousands of innocent people over the past decade? The american people seem to have a us vs them mindset and completely forget or do not care that these are people just like you and I and deserve to live just as much as you or I (innocent people).

    If everyone would show as much unhappiness each time a innocent person was killed regardless of which side it was on then perhaps war and killing wouldn't be such an easy option.

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    Re: Hasan Found Guilty in Fort Hood Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    Does this somehow make it more acceptable because at least in my view it is largely shrugged off by most Americans. As long as it isn't happening to those we care about people seem detached and largely uncaring.
    Well it is a war and innocents are killed, just as in 9/11, 7/7, the bombing of Australian vacationers in Bali and so on. What do you expect people to do?
    While we may not be targeting people for those reasons we kill them all the same. In the end does it really matter? They are killed either way. At least to me it doesn't really matter if you killed me for any of the mentioned reason or you killed me because you wanted the person 30 yards away from me dead, I don't want to be killed
    Yes, it has already been noted that innocents are killed in a time of war. There is no denying that.
    I wasn't trying to imply a racist motive. I meant to say what is happening is half a world away to people and places most of us have never met or seen.
    It isn't happening half a world away. terrorism is international;it's everywhere. It just happened in Boston in fact.
    What I meant by government sanctioned, if you walked up and killed a random innocent person in the US the government would imprison you or execute you for murder. If the government orders you to kill someone it has deemed an enemy of the country (innocent or not) you are not only expected to carry out that order but you are often proclaimed a hero, protecting the people of the US, honorably serve your country, ect. So it really inst about the killing of people that seems to be wrong but instead making sure you are only killing the people they want dead.
    You nailed it.
    Or perhaps I view every innocent human life as just as valuable as the next and do not view the killing of 13 Americans in any different light as I view us killing 13 Afghani. Yet it seems many if not most Americans do.
    Yes, they do.

    Thousands of innocent people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan.
    And most of them by terrorists killing their own people.
    It was my entire point. I just sorta rambled along and did not make a very good point of it.
    No problem. None of us are professionals.

    Some people in this thread have expressed their desire that Hasan be treated in a very bad way for killing Americans. My point was Hasan killed 13 people and some Americans seem to be full of outrage and hate toward him. So why do people not express the same detest and outrage over the US government's actions which have killed thousands of innocent people over the past decade? The american people seem to have a us vs them mindset and completely forget or do not care that these are people just like you and I and deserve to live just as much as you or I (innocent people).
    Actually many have expressed outrage at the American people and their government, despite Obama getting a peace prize. But Hasan murdered his innocent unarmed co workers. We can see that another American, Bales, was just sent to prison for life for murdering innocent Afghanistanis. People who do this are punished, which demonstrates that the US Government does not intend to murder innocent people, though in war that is an inevitable consequence.
    If everyone would show as much unhappiness each time a innocent person was killed regardless of which side it was on then perhaps war and killing wouldn't be such an easy option.
    If we did that every time someone was killed, war or not, we would all wind up as depressed neurotic paranoiacs.

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    Re: Hasan Found Guilty in Fort Hood Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    And your point is...??
    Ah, I thought my point was plainly obvious. Clearly not.

    It is that there is more than a suspicion that there is some degree of discrimination at work, with a person who attacks US military personnel being dealt with more severely than someone from the US military who attacks foreign civilians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Ah, I thought my point was plainly obvious. Clearly not.

    It is that there is more than a suspicion that there is some degree of discrimination at work, with a person who attacks US military personnel being dealt with more severely than someone from the US military who attacks foreign civilians.
    It is the defendant's choice. Bales has no interest in becoming a "martyr" and Hasan does. That is not discrimination by the government.
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    Re: Hasan Found Guilty in Fort Hood Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    It is the defendant's choice. Bales has no interest in becoming a "martyr" and Hasan does. That is not discrimination by the government.
    But apparently Hasan wasn't allowed to plead guilty and Bales was.
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    Re: Hasan Found Guilty in Fort Hood Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    But apparently Hasan wasn't allowed to plead guilty and Bales was.
    You may wish to review the actual legal facts.
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    Re: Hasan Found Guilty in Fort Hood Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Ah, I thought my point was plainly obvious. Clearly not.

    It is that there is more than a suspicion that there is some degree of discrimination at work, with a person who attacks US military personnel being dealt with more severely than someone from the US military who attacks foreign civilians.
    It seems that the martyrdom of Hasan is already becoming a reality.

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    Re: Hasan Found Guilty in Fort Hood Shooting

    Hasan is a good man, he was just misunderstood. I blame Bush for it.

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