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89 Year Old WWII Veteran Beaten and Left for Dead Dies

Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

Nynaeve Meara said:
Sure, I can pretty easily prove it, here is a washer in Sioux Falls price, pls notice the rebate portion.

Here is the exact same washer in Chicago:


So they give you an additional $125 in rebates in Sioux Falls which is roughly 24% off. On top of that here is a cost of living calculator you can find on CNN Money.
Cost of Living Calculator: Compare the Cost of Living in Two Cities - CNNMoney

They didn't have Rapid City so I had to select Sioux Falls, but Rapid City has a lower cost of living than Sioux Falls.

Making $50,000 in SF comparable salary in Chicago, IL $59,062(20% diff roughly) for the same job, depending upon industry of course its actually closer to 25-30% when I was in Chicago. Granted this was five years ago.


Poverty is worse in Chicago than NYC and Huston.

Chicago poverty level is at 27% as of 2009
NYC poverty level is sitting at 19% as of 2009 (less crime than Chicago)
Dallas poverty level is at 30% as of 2009 (worse crime than Chicago btw)
Houston poverty level is at 27% as of 2009. (worse crime than Chicago)

This is the reason I laugh when people compare Chicago crime rate as somehow the worst in the nation, there are lots of other cities with much higher crime rates and higher poverty rates, IE Detroit(44% poverty rate) than Chicago. You take away the ability for people to lawfully acquire necessities and you will increase the crime rate because poverty also decreases the education level, due not being able to afford the supplies required for schools and making children work as opposed to attend school (high school/college). Which would also increase the drug abuse and not just illegal drugs.
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The poverty rate in New York City increased from 19% tp 21% in 2012; rising in each year, as was the income gap, yet the crime rate in NYC was falling in each of those years.

New York City Poverty Rate Rises As Gap Between Rich And Poor Widens

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/29/nyregion/414-homicides-is-a-record-low-for-new-york.html?_r=0

Crime in New York City - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Chicago has third highest extreme poverty rate in the nation | Chicago Muckrakers

The "extreme" poverty rate in Chicago ranks 3rd worst among all cities in the U.S., yet the cities of Philidelphia, PA and Phoenix, AZ are even worse. If your poverty theory were correct than we would expect that these poorer cities would have higher crime rates.

Chicago crime rate (per 1,000 residents) Murder .16 Rape ??? Robbery 5.17 Assault 4.59

Philly crime rate (per 1,000 residnets) Murder .21 Rape .54 Robbery 5.37 Assault 5.77

Pheonix crime rate (per 1,000 residents) Murder .08 Rape .38 Robbery 2.27 Assault 2.79

That appears to the case for Philadelphia, PA but not for Phoenix, AZ (by a long shot, at that) - so we must examine why. What makes Phoenix so different (relative to crime rates) than either Chicago or Philadelphia even though it has worse extreme poverty?

Population racial breakdown perhaps? (using 2010 census data):

Chicago, IL White 45.0% Black 32.9%

Philadelphia, PA White 36.9% Black 41.6%

Phoenix, AZ White 65.9% Black 6.5%
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

j-mac said:
Yeah, theres some truth to that, but there is also some truth to progressive policies, and taxes that drive those costs as well...It was just a thought.
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It is an unalterable fact that the more money that goes into the pockets of the government, the less money there is in the pockets of the people.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

j-mac said:
So, just to get this straight, are you saying that crime is excusable as long as one can claim that they are impoverished? I think that is excuse making. IMHO.
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I didn't say that. However, when people become desperate crime goes up and that goes hand in hand with poverty.

Fenton said:
Your data poverty is 3 years old and Chicago actually has a higher violent crime rate than Houston.

High crime areas are that way becausr criminals chose to live there, not because something's been "taken away".

The City leaders of Detroit and their thug associates ripped that city off for years and several are still in prison for their multiple crimes.

No one "took away " jobs and opportunities. That cities drove out jobs and opportunities with high taxes and corruption.
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It is three years old, but the rates haven't changed much in the past three years. Houston and Dallas still have higher crime rates than Chicago. You'll find pockets of less crime throughout each city of course. However the steady trend holds.

Again, desperation caused by poverty will increase crime rates due to lowered education standards and drug abuse with lower education.

Your opinion of Detroit is noted, but doesn't fit with the facts there are many reasons why that city is in trouble. The simplification you provided is insulting.

Opinion statement, I disagree with your assessment.

ttwtt78640 said:
The poverty rate in New York City increased from 19% tp 21% in 2012; rising in each year, as was the income gap, yet the crime rate in NYC was falling in each of those years.

New York City Poverty Rate Rises As Gap Between Rich And Poor Widens

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/29/nyregion/414-homicides-is-a-record-low-for-new-york.html?_r=0

Crime in New York City - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Chicago has third highest extreme poverty rate in the nation | Chicago Muckrakers

The "extreme" poverty rate in Chicago ranks 3rd worst among all cities in the U.S., yet the cities of Philidelphia, PA and Phoenix, AZ are even worse. If your poverty theory were correct than we would expect that these poorer cities would have higher crime rates.

Chicago crime rate (per 1,000 residents) Murder .16 Rape ??? Robbery 5.17 Assault 4.59

Philly crime rate (per 1,000 residnets) Murder .21 Rape .54 Robbery 5.37 Assault 5.77

Pheonix crime rate (per 1,000 residents) Murder .08 Rape .38 Robbery 2.27 Assault 2.79

That appears to the case for Philadelphia, PA but not for Phoenix, AZ (by a long shot, at that) - so we must examine why. What makes Phoenix so different (relative to crime rates) than either Chicago or Philadelphia even though it has worse extreme poverty?

Population racial breakdown perhaps? (using 2010 census data):

Chicago, IL White 45.0% Black 32.9%

Philadelphia, PA White 36.9% Black 41.6%

Phoenix, AZ White 65.9% Black 6.5%
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I'm confused as to what you are saying? Phoenix has lower poverty rates than Chicago... Philly has more thus more crime. Are you reading some statistics wrong?
 
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Nynaeve Meara said:
I didn't say that. However, when people become desperate crime goes up and that goes hand in hand with poverty.
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Not so sure that is the case anymore....The three teens that shot the aussie in the back, stated that they did it because they were "bored", not poor....Another example is that I don't think that the teens in Chicago, turning that place into a war zone, are doing such because they are poor....That is just the excuse they will use, like 'you can't blame me, I had a bad childhood...'
 
Nynaeve Meara said:
I didn't say that.
However, when people become desperate crime goes up and that goes hand in hand with poverty.

It is three years old, but the rates haven't changed much in the past three years. Houston and Dallas still have higher crime rates than Chicago. You'll find pockets of less crime throughout each city of course. However the steady trend holds.

Again, desperation caused by poverty will increase crime rates due to lowered education standards and drug abuse with lower education.

Your opinion of Detroit is noted, but doesn't fit with the facts there are many reasons why that city is in trouble. The simplification you provided is insulting.

Opinion statement, I disagree with your assessment.



I'm confused as to what you are saying? Phoenix has lower poverty rates than Chicago... Philly has more thus more crime. Are you reading some statistics wrong?
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If the rates haven't changed "that much" well then why don't you post them ?

Why are you posting 2009 data whan you have access to 2013 data ?
 
j-mac said:
Not so sure that is the case anymore....The three teens that shot the aussie in the back, stated that they did it because they were "bored", not poor....Another example is that I don't think that the teens in Chicago, turning that place into a war zone, are doing such because they are poor....That is just the excuse they will use, like 'you can't blame me, I had a bad childhood...'
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There will always be outliers when you have a graph of statistics that doesn't make it the norm in terms of graphs.

Fenton said:
If the rates haven't changed "that much" well then why don't you post them ?

Why are you posting 2009 data whan you have access to 2013 data ?
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I was actually wrong, the website uses the latest data which would be 2011. The FBI hasn't completed their 2012 or 2013 data accumulation yet. The 2012 data will be completed by the end of the year but there are some preliminary reports. The 2013 data won't be complete until the end of 2014. A good example if you look at the 2012 data for Chicago you'll see violent crime column isn't filled out yet as the reporting methods are different, but so is Minneosta's. So it takes apparently longer to get the updated statistics from them as it has to be arranged or something to fit national standards. I don't work for the FBI so I'm not sure exactly what they are doing differently.

I used this website Location Inc

From their FAQ
How current are the data in your products?
The raw data is always the latest available from the source. We then develop new data and information from it through our expertise, providing regular updates to the data base. Depending on the data layer, the theme may be updated quarterly, annually, or on a different cycle. Overall, we update the data at least six times per year, every year.
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Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

Nynaeve Meara said:
Again, desperation caused by poverty will increase crime rates due to lowered education standards and drug abuse with lower education.
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Poverty doesn't cause "lowered education standards"..poverty doesn't cause drug abuse...

Nynaeve Meara said:
Your opinion of Detroit is noted, but doesn't fit with the facts there are many reasons why that city is in trouble. The simplification you provided is insulting.
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Gerrymandered districts that create an artificial black majority which then elects blacks and ONLY blacks to office, who in turn appoint blacks and ONLY blacks to every position they can.
Government manipulation of the bidding process meant to ensure equality, instead favored Black businesses owners and minority owned firms.
Public jobs became almost entirely Black, with every department funded by tax-dollars headed and staffed – from the water board, sanitation, the courts, and voting boards – by Black people... but it’s all artificial. The wealth of the Black middle class is nothing more than an illusion, manifested by hyper affirmative action in government contracting and a reliance on public employment.

Public services become more inefficient and crime rises. Business and taxpayers move out. (I think it's called "white flight") :) ...tax revenues begin to fall..the city has to raise taxes in order to make up the difference...more taxpayers and businesses leave...crime continues to rise and city services continue to decline ....taxes must be raised.... more taxpayers and businesses move out...crime, misery and blight increase....rinse and repeat......etc..etc...now detroit is almost 90% black. They can't even maintain minimum standards of civilization.
Look at Hiroshima today..and it got nuked..look at detroit today under black leadership...Draw your own conclusions.

LMAO...look how the detroit city council holds meetings...it's a circus..



In Detroit, 47 percent of adults are functionally illiterate. Detroit public school system students have a higher chance of going to prison than they do of graduating high school, but the average Detroit teacher salary is $71,000.


Poverty is the problem?

LMAO..how in the world did lincoln...born in absolute poverty, go from a log cabin to the white house with no welfare, section 8 housing, EBT card, or government enforced artificial elevation by laws to give him preferential treatment?

He taught himself to read with the help of his stepmother...He walked miles just to borrow books..His total formal education amounted to around 18 months.
He ran for and got elected to the Illinois legislature and then decided he wanted to be a lawyer...so he taught himself law by reading William Blackstone's "Commentaries on the Laws of England., was admitted to the bar in 1837..ran for president and was elected...twice....etc... you know the rest.

Can you explain that?

I don't want to hear lame excuses about how negroes can't make it on their own...
 
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Nynaeve Meara said:
There will always be outliers when you have a graph of statistics that doesn't make it the norm in terms of graphs.
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Statistics are always the last bastion of those who want to muddy up the waters of truth.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

Nynaeve Meara said:
I didn't say that. However, when people become desperate crime goes up and that goes hand in hand with poverty.

It is three years old, but the rates haven't changed much in the past three years. Houston and Dallas still have higher crime rates than Chicago. You'll find pockets of less crime throughout each city of course. However the steady trend holds.

Again, desperation caused by poverty will increase crime rates due to lowered education standards and drug abuse with lower education.

Your opinion of Detroit is noted, but doesn't fit with the facts there are many reasons why that city is in trouble. The simplification you provided is insulting.

Opinion statement, I disagree with your assessment.



I'm confused as to what you are saying? Phoenix has lower poverty rates than Chicago... Philly has more thus more crime. Are you reading some statistics wrong?
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I included the link reporting that Chicago was ahead of both Philadelphia and Phoenix when counting those living in "extreme poverty".

Chicago has the third highest rate of extreme poverty of the nation's 10 largest cities, at 10.4 percent, according to the U.S. Census Bureau's 2011 American Community Survey. Philadelphia is first at 12.9 percent, followed by Phoenix at 10.7 percent.
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Chicago has third highest extreme poverty rate in the nation | Chicago Muckrakers

The official poverty rate for Chicago, IL is 27.5% while it is 26.5% for Phoenix, AZ - very close indeed. Philadelphia, PA is poorer still with a poverty rate of 30.2%.

More links on Phoenix and Arizona's poverty rates:

Phoenix, Arizona (AZ) poverty rate data - information about poor and low income residents living in this city

Arizona is now No. 2 in poverty
 
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P. Kersey said:
In Detroit, 47 percent of adults are functionally illiterate. Detroit public school system students have a higher chance of going to prison than they do of graduating high school, but the average Detroit teacher salary is $71,000. Poverty is the problem?
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Over 97% of them voted Democrat.

Jesse Peterson On Black Socialism - YouTube
 
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P. Kersey said:
I don't want to hear lame excuses about how negroes can't make it on their own...
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I don't want to hear excuses from anybody who was born in this county, speaks English, and is able-bodied.

With my own eyes I saw how the first "boat people" began in my big-city hometown. Sometimes 20 guys bunking in a one-bedroom apartment in the project and picking up garbage alongside the freeways. Ten years later they were successful newspaper publishers and restauranteurs and shopkeepers, and their kids were winning spelling bees. The dirtiest four-letter word of them all is "work."
 
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nota bene said:
I don't want to hear excuses from anybody who was born in this county, speaks English, and is able-bodied.

With my own eyes I saw how the first "boat people" began in my big-city hometown. Sometimes 20 guys bunking in a one-bedroom apartment in the project and picking up garbage alongside the freeways. Ten years later they were successful newspaper publishers and restauranteurs and shopkeepers, and their kids were winning spelling bees. The dirtiest four-letter word of them all is "work."
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Excellent point. I remember when the vietnamese first started immigrating to my "big city" hometown after vietnam. Same kind of story.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
I included the link reporting that Chicago was ahead of both Philadelphia and Phoenix when counting those living in "extreme poverty".



Chicago has third highest extreme poverty rate in the nation | Chicago Muckrakers

The official poverty rate for Chicago, IL is 27.5% while it is 26.5% for Phoenix, AZ - very close indeed. Philadelphia, PA is poorer still with a poverty rate of 30.2%.

More links on Phoenix and Arizona's poverty rates:

Phoenix, Arizona (AZ) poverty rate data - information about poor and low income residents living in this city

Arizona is now No. 2 in poverty
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So again Philly has higher poverty and its crime rate is higher. Phoenix is lower and has less.

I guess I don't know what you are trying to say.

j-mac said:
Statistics are always the last bastion of those who want to muddy up the waters of truth.
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Statistics don't lie... I'm sorry it doesn't fit your agenda.
 
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Nynaeve Meara said:
So again Philly has higher poverty and its crime rate is higher. Phoenix is lower and has less.

I guess I don't know what you are trying to say.



Statistics don't lie... I'm sorry it doesn't fit your agenda.
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You know exactly what I am trying to say, yet you play your little selective statistical games. The crime rate in Phoenix, AZ is way below that of either Chicago or Philadelphia yet it its poverty rate is similar (as in only slightly below those other cities) - what separates Phoenix from both Chicago or Philadelphia, besdes its much lower crime statistics, is that Phoenix has a much lower black population percentage. Did that statistic, somehow, escape your notice?
 
As I sit here reading through post after post of bad excuses for perennial
failure that resides in our urban cities, I long for the time when we had a sense of humor about issues of disparity and " racism".

I remember when a full backhanded " pimp slap" was a sincere romantic gesture with over tones of marriage.
 
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sawyerloggingon said:
The chief of police said again this morning that race was not a factor. He knows this how? WTF is this guy expecting whites to riot? I'm going to look into this cop, my guess is he's a big time lib DNC whore.
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Nice slandering of a policeman who you know nothing about.

When Spokane County is 90.2% White and 1.8% Black what are the odds when two teens decide to rob someone that it happens to be white?

This is not a racist crime or a hate crime it is simply a depraved act of scum crime.

The police here have both in custody. What more can you ask of a police force.
 
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Crosscheck said:
Nice slandering of a policeman who you know nothing about.

When Spokane County is 90.2% White and 1.8% Black what are the odds when two teens decide to rob someone that it happens to be white?

This is not a racist crime or a hate crime it is simply a depraved act of scum crime. [/B
The police here have both in custody. What more can you ask of a police force.
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And you know that how? They beat this old mans head in with a Mag Light, seems fairly hateful to me.
 
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Crosscheck said:
Nice slandering of a policeman who you know nothing about.

When Spokane County is 90.2% White and 1.8% Black what are the odds when two teens decide to rob someone that it happens to be white?

This is not a racist crime or a hate crime it is simply a depraved act of scum crime.

The police here have both in custody. What more can you ask of a police force.
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I agree that it's not a " hate crime" ( hate crimes are a joke ) or even a crime based on " race", but what political ideology constructs a huge racial false narrative, that divides an already divided society, that encourages violent acts against innocent people, for the sole purpose of scoring political points ?


The Democrats and more specifically Obama and his administration, for example when he chimed in on the Trayvon Martin Racial hustle.

So as long as they continue to sink to new levels I think it's fair to say there is going to be push back. And that's going to come in the form of honest analysis from people intelligent enough not to be sucked into their manipulations..

Their is going to be a rude awakening for those who believe in accomplishing their goals " by any means necessary " or who subscribe to the idiom of " the ends justifies the means "
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
You know exactly what I am trying to say, yet you play your little selective statistical games. The crime rate in Phoenix, AZ is way below that of either Chicago or Philadelphia yet it its poverty rate is similar (as in only slightly below those other cities) - what separates Phoenix from both Chicago or Philadelphia, besdes its much lower crime statistics, is that Phoenix has a much lower black population percentage. Did that statistic, somehow, escape your notice?
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Way below? What are you talking about?

Its significantly higher than the national average by a wide margin and makes up the most crime in the entire state and then some.

I don't think you are paying attention to what links you are providing. When Phoenix is rated as 10 on a 1-100 scale (100 being the safest) and Chicago is 7, Philly is 5 that is saying something.

I'm not sure what you are trying to allude to but the quote you lighted was not directed at you.
 
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sawyerloggingon said:
And you know that how? They beat this old mans head in with a Mag Light, seems fairly hateful to me.
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Hate crime is when I despise you so much I cut your brake line and watch you go over a cliff.
Depraved act of scum crime is when I slash your children's throat for the hell of it.

I think bashing in a 88 yr old man's head is more than just hate crime, I think it is a depraved act of scum crime. I may be wrong but I doubt it.
 
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Nynaeve Meara said:
Way below? What are you talking about?

Its significantly higher than the national average by a wide margin and makes up the most crime in the entire state and then some.

I don't think you are paying attention to what links you are providing. When Phoenix is rated as 10 on a 1-100 scale (100 being the safest) and Chicago is 7, Philly is 5 that is saying something.

I'm not sure what you are trying to allude to but the quote you lighted was not directed at you.
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I am absolutely sure that I am paying attention to (and understanding) the links. The lower the number the more dangerous the city is on your 1 to 100 scale - it is you that have it backwards.

I am talking also talking about violent crime rates in U.S. cities, per 1,000 residents - in this case the lower the number the safer the city is for each given category of violent crime.

Phoenix ----- Murder 0.08 Rape 0.38 Robbery 2.27 Assault 2.79

Chicago ----- Murder 0.16 Rape ??? Robbery 5.17 Assault 4.59

Philadelphia -- Murder 0.21 Rape 0.54 Robbery 5.37 Assault 5.77

Dallas ------- Murder 0.11 Rape 0.35 Robbery 3.33 Assault 3.03

Houston ----- Murder 0.09 Rape 0.36 Robbery 3.77 Assault 5.56
 
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Nynaeve Meara said:
Way below? What are you talking about?

Its significantly higher than the national average by a wide margin and makes up the most crime in the entire state and then some.

I don't think you are paying attention to what links you are providing. When Phoenix is rated as 10 on a 1-100 scale (100 being the safest) and Chicago is 7, Philly is 5 that is saying something.

I'm not sure what you are trying to allude to but the quote you lighted was not directed at you.
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I'd like to know why chicago and philadelphia are so dangerous?
Specifically, who is committing all these crimes in those cities and why?

Please don't say "criminals" and "poverty" or some other simplistic evasion.
What are the demographics of the criminals and why are they committing so much crime?
 
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nota bene said:
I don't want to hear excuses from anybody who was born in this county, speaks English, and is able-bodied.

With my own eyes I saw how the first "boat people" began in my big-city hometown. Sometimes 20 guys bunking in a one-bedroom apartment in the project and picking up garbage alongside the freeways. Ten years later they were successful newspaper publishers and restauranteurs and shopkeepers, and their kids were winning spelling bees. The dirtiest four-letter word of them all is "work."
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The difference is that the Vietnamese weren't constantly being told, for generations,that they were victims who needed special government help to get ahead. Once a people get institutionalized they will respond just as institutionalized people anywhere would, and gratefully vote for those who made them that way.
 
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