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89 Year Old WWII Veteran Beaten and Left for Dead Dies

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Grant said:
Don't hesitate to say what his political agenda might be. If you feel there is one, let's hear it.
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Yes, do tell..I'm interested, too...LMFAO..
 
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Grant said:
Yes. I've been through there and you're quite right. But as has been said, that doesn't apply to all rural settings.
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It applies to most and I've even venture to say majority or vast majority.

Grant said:
I was making a silly joke and thought that would be obvious. I didn't intend to cause any real offense. I have no idea what you mean about minorities and magic wands.
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I don't like the idea of some random internet body assuming things that I haven't offered up myself.
ttwtt78640 said:
You still have not managed to explain the difference in urban verses rural area crime.
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The amount of poverty is greater in urban areas than rural. I'm pretty sure I already said that several times.
 
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Nynaeve Meara said:
It applies to most and I've even venture to say majority or vast majority.


I don't like the idea of some random internet body assuming things that I haven't offered up myself.

The amount of poverty is greater in urban areas than rural. I'm pretty sure I already said that several times.
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Saying it and backing it up with facts are two different things. Chicago, Illinois is not poor compared to Radid City, South Dakota. I can show as much (if not more) of a correlation with minority residents as you can with poverty for their relationship to crime statistics.

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ttwtt78640 said:
Saying it and backing it up with facts are two different things. Chicago, Illinois is not poor compared to Radid City, South Dakota. I can show as much (if not more) of a correlation with minority residents as you can with poverty for their relationship to crime statistics.

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Oh so you think 43K in SD is the same as 43K in Illinois?

I can tell you right now 43K in SD is about 90K in Illinois.
 
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Peter King said:
The Oprah story was news because Oprah is famous. For no other reason than that.

This case began to become interesting after the facts came out and after this poor gentleman had passed away.

It is sad that not every murder victim gets the attention he/she deserves, but with no human interest angle stories like this will never go big in the media.
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I think the Oprah story got the attention of the media because it fit into the agenda of black people are discriminated against. The funny thing about the story involving her is that when it was found out she lied about it when the store owner fought back with the truth, the media dropped the story...never condemning her for her lie....Im sorry, she is a Liberal...they never said anything about her "mis-remembering" the incident How many people are aware of that? The media certainly didnt inform the public of it.

The problem with the media is if the story does not fit into their given agenda they try their best not to report on it.
 
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Crosscheck said:
The missing suspect attended the same high school as my kids so he lives in my district. I predict he will be found by Sunday night.
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I was close. He was found at 3 AM Monday morning here in Spokane. He is sitting in jail right now.
 
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Nynaeve Meara said:
Oh so you think 43K in SD is the same as 43K in Illinois?

I can tell you right now 43K in SD is about 90K in Illinois.
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Actually it is. I know it is hard for you to believe, but yes; they use the same federal income tax laws in SD as they do in IL and they have the same federal poverty level in those two places as well. I will bet that, other than for housing costs, most things cost about the same in both of those places, even a Happy Meal, a roll of toilet paper or a 2X4 board.

Are you trying to say that a low skilled job (e.g. fast food worker/retail cashier) pays over twice as much in IL as it does in SD?
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Actually it is. I know it is hard for you to believe, but yes; they use the same federal income tax laws in SD as they do in IL and they have the same federal poverty level in those two places as well. I will bet that, other than for housing costs, most things cost about the same in both of those places, even a Happy Meal, a roll of toilet paper or a 2X4 board.

Are you trying to say that a low skilled job (e.g. fast food worker/retail cashier) pays over twice as much in IL as it does in SD?
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Don't know about twice as much, but fast food workers make more in higher cost-of-living areas. They have to. Back when minimum wage was 3.35 an hour, Hubs lived in California and fast food workers there made over 7.00 an hour. I remember a few years ago when the grocery workers went on strike, I was astounded to learn that clerks and baggers in Southern California were making upwards of $20 an hour. In the deep South, they make minimum wage.
 
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Superfly said:
Don't know about twice as much, but fast food workers make more in higher cost-of-living areas. They have to. Back when minimum wage was 3.35 an hour, Hubs lived in California and fast food workers there made over 7.00 an hour. I remember a few years ago when the grocery workers went on strike, I was astounded to learn that clerks and baggers in Southern California were making upwards of $20 an hour. In the deep South, they make minimum wage.
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So poor people and SS retirees (those on fixed incomes) are simply idiots to stay in these high cost of living areas?
 
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Superfly said:
Don't know about twice as much, but fast food workers make more in higher cost-of-living areas. They have to. Back when minimum wage was 3.35 an hour, Hubs lived in California and fast food workers there made over 7.00 an hour. I remember a few years ago when the grocery workers went on strike, I was astounded to learn that clerks and baggers in Southern California were making upwards of $20 an hour. In the deep South, they make minimum wage.
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The cost of living in these areas where wages are so out of round with the rest of the country are higher as well...I moved 5 years ago out of Maryland, not because I didn't like the area, not because I didn't have friends, not because I did something other than what I do now, no....I left because ever increasing taxation, and stupid fees, fines, and government intrusion like camera's every damned where, not to mention that the cost of buying a house was out of this world....In Maryland a typical no frills 2,300 sq ft. home was about $250k to $300k, and property tax was about $5k to $8k per year, down here in SC, I bought the same 2,300 sq ft. home, with a pool, and hot tub, for $180k, and property tax of $800 per year....You tell me what progressives bring?
 
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Grant said:
Don't hesitate to say what his political agenda might be. If you feel there is one, let's hear it.
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Unlike some, I'm not going to put words ins someone else's mouth. There must be an agenda though, this is Debate Politics, not "Hey, here's some statistics I found."
 
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The chief of police said again this morning that race was not a factor. He knows this how? WTF is this guy expecting whites to riot? I'm going to look into this cop, my guess is he's a big time lib DNC whore.
 
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sawyerloggingon said:
The chief of police said again this morning that race was not a factor. He knows this how? WTF is this guy expecting whites to riot? I'm going to look into this cop, my guess is he's a big time lib DNC whore.
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Yes, that must be it. :roll:
 
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rocket88 said:
Unlike some, I'm not going to put words ins someone else's mouth. There must be an agenda though, this is Debate Politics, not "Hey, here's some statistics I found."
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My "agenda" is to use proven facts as the basis for honest discussions.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Actually it is. I know it is hard for you to believe, but yes; they use the same federal income tax laws in SD as they do in IL and they have the same federal poverty level in those two places as well. I will bet that, other than for housing costs, most things cost about the same in both of those places, even a Happy Meal, a roll of toilet paper or a 2X4 board.

Are you trying to say that a low skilled job (e.g. fast food worker/retail cashier) pays over twice as much in IL as it does in SD?
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Actually no it isn't. They do have the same federal income tax laws in SD as they do in IL but that doesn't mean anything when the cost of living is roughly 25% higher in Chicago than it is in SD. That is for every day items as well. The only thing that comes even close to the cost of living in Chicago as Rapid City is the utilities and even that is still 10% higher than SD.

So yes, you aren't comparing apples to apples here, more like apples to pears(this being South Dakota). :)

Its in the same food category but that is as close as it comes.
 
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Imnukingfutz said:
I think the Oprah story got the attention of the media because it fit into the agenda of black people are discriminated against. The funny thing about the story involving her is that when it was found out she lied about it when the store owner fought back with the truth, the media dropped the story...never condemning her for her lie....Im sorry, she is a Liberal...they never said anything about her "mis-remembering" the incident How many people are aware of that? The media certainly didnt inform the public of it.

The problem with the media is if the story does not fit into their given agenda they try their best not to report on it.
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I disagree with you. If Oprah was not famous than nobody would have noticed/cared. And like it or not, discrimination is a very nasty thing. Especially if you are the victim of discrimination.

And the truth? I was not in the store, you were not in the store. Oprah felt discriminated against and maybe she was but it could be a misunderstanding due to language barriers.

But this still does not change the fact that, even though the murder was committed by 2 black teens, this does not have to be a racist murder. Until the evidence of such a reason exists, it is wrong to race-bate (not accusing you, a general observation) the case. If the murder happened due to racism we can discuss that at the appropriate time IMHO.
 
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P. Kersey said:
My "agenda" is to use proven facts as the basis for honest discussions.
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And yet whenever someone says that those statistics prove that poverty is a driving factor, you turn it back away from any interpretation of the facts other than race. That's not honest discussion.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Actually it is. I know it is hard for you to believe, but yes; they use the same federal income tax laws in SD as they do in IL and they have the same federal poverty level in those two places as well. I will bet that, other than for housing costs, most things cost about the same in both of those places, even a Happy Meal, a roll of toilet paper or a 2X4 board.

Are you trying to say that a low skilled job (e.g. fast food worker/retail cashier) pays over twice as much in IL as it does in SD?
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I think you're missing the point that the cost of living in South Dakota is a lot less than that in Chicago. Just the housing is a BIG part of it. Most people spend about 1/3 of their monthly income on housing.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
So poor people and SS retirees (those on fixed incomes) are simply idiots to stay in these high cost of living areas?
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I wouldn't call them idiots, but most people on fixed incomes live in areas that are not as expensive. My husband is a disabled vet, and an Army retiree. His income is a good income, but it's fixed. We have talked about living in Alaska, or NYC, but the cost of living is too high. It works itself out usually, because if you live in Alaska or NYC, the cost of living is higher, so it balances out because the wages are higher. But with someone on a fixed income, you would want to live somewhere with a much lower cost of living, because you aren't getting that higher wage to compensate for the higher cost of living.

I live in southeast Coastal Georgia. I live in a brand new 2,500sf house. We designed it and had it built last year. We paid $158K for it. It's a pretty little house, in a nice, clean, gated subdivision. I watch this show on HGTV called "House Hunters" and I am amazed at what I am living in, for this price, compared to what others are paying in other parts of the country.
 
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Also, in states where the cost of living is much higher than other states, the welfare payouts are considerably higher as well. That's why low income families flock to those states - because they get more money (because the cost of living is higher).
 
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Nynaeve Meara said:
Actually no it isn't. They do have the same federal income tax laws in SD as they do in IL but that doesn't mean anything when the cost of living is roughly 25% higher in Chicago than it is in SD. That is for every day items as well. The only thing that comes even close to the cost of living in Chicago as Rapid City is the utilities and even that is still 10% higher than SD.

So yes, you aren't comparing apples to apples here, more like apples to pears(this being South Dakota). :)

Its in the same food category but that is as close as it comes.
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You make a lot of these "absolute" assertions, without any back-up links or sources, like when declaring the bolded above. Perhaps you can go to the Lowe's website and show us that a 2X4 is roughly 25% more in Chicago, IL than in Rapid City, SD. Pick some other "everyday" items if you like (say toilet paper, soda pop or frozen pizza), that are sold and advertised (as normal prices) by the same national chain of stores in both cities.

You seem to say that poverty is somehow worse (more apt to "cause" crime) if those around you make more, yet have never shown that to be the case. Poverty is not "worse" in Chicago than in New York City, Dallas or Houston than yet the murder rates are different.
 
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rocket88 said:
I think you're missing the point that the cost of living in South Dakota is a lot less than that in Chicago. Just the housing is a BIG part of it. Most people spend about 1/3 of their monthly income on housing.
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So what? If the salaries are "adjusted" for local cost of living then their is still little (or no) relative difference.
 
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rocket88 said:
And yet whenever someone says that those statistics prove that poverty is a driving factor, you turn it back away from any interpretation of the facts other than race. That's not honest discussion.
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We've been over this before and you know it. Those statistics by themselves don't prove any of what you claim.
Those statistics only prove that negroes commit disproportionate amounts of crime.

I don't pretend to know why every criminal commits a crime (and you don't know either) and I don't really care what excuses you invent to rationalize it.
I'm not concerned with trying to "interpret" the reasons.
Committing a crime is a choice. No one forces anyone to commit crimes.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
You seem to say that poverty is somehow worse (more apt to "cause" crime) if those around you make more, yet have never shown that to be the case. Poverty is not "worse" in Chicago than in New York City, Dallas or Houston than yet the murder rates are different.
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It seems to me that there is a stronger correlation between strict gun control laws and crime than between poverty and crime.
 
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Diogenes said:
It seems to me that there is a stronger correlation between strict gun control laws and crime than between poverty and crime.
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I would say that is not true, and would point to minority population, effectivness of law enforcement (especially the criminal justice system) and gang activity instead. Gun control efforts have very little to do with reducing gun (ab)use, just a recreational drug control efforts have very little to do with reducing recreational drug (ab)use.
 
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