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89 Year Old WWII Veteran Beaten and Left for Dead Dies

Thats an absolutely ridiculous claim.
Its simplistic and generic description and its void of any objective correlation.

The issue of whether poverty follows crime or crime follows poverty is irrelevent.
Actually its very relevant I can cite quite a few examples in LA where the majority of the population is white and poor and the crime rate is nearly double if not triple that of south west side Chicago. Since the population in Chicago has a higher income, per avg than in LA, that explains the discrepancy in the crime rates. After all when you are that much poorer the laws matter less, as you have less to lose.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

Not really, when you are discussing difference in population you have to go by per capita, which means for the same number of white people there are more blacks in poverty by their percentage than white. By over double. Which would account for the almost double crime rate. When you have 2x the poverty rate you are going to get higher crime rate. This isn't something that is up for debate unless you are still going to contest there are fewer blacks in poverty than white (in terms of per population percentage). There are far more blacks in poverty than white per capita.

If that is the case you might want to look up how statistics work when comparing to very different population sizes. IE China and US. :)

That is incorrect. There are fewer negroes in america than whites; rich, poor or otherwise.That's a fact.
Negroes commit more crime than whites per capita...rich poor or otherwise.That's a fact.
Pretend to not understand if it gives you comfort but the truth is large.

I debunked your theory. Doubletalk and backpedaling in order to obscure the facts aren't any use. People see right through that evasive jr. high school debate "tactic".

So..it is resolved and you acknowledge the fact that negroes commit a far disproportionate amount of crime despite only making up 13% of the population.

LMAO..I notice you won't go anywhere NEAR post #169.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

That is incorrect. There are fewer negroes in america than whites; rich, poor or otherwise.That's a fact.
Negroes commit more crime than whites per capita...rich poor or otherwise.That's a fact.
Pretend to not understand if it gives you comfort but the truth is large.

I debunked your theory. Doubletalk and backpedaling in order to obscure the facts aren't any use. People see right through that evasive jr. high school debate "tactic".

So..it is resolved and you acknowledge the fact that negroes commit a far disproportionate amount of crime despite only making up 13% of the population.

LMAO..I notice you won't go anywhere NEAR post #169.
If you don't know how statistics works that isn't my problem to explain it to you twice. I'm sorry you have having difficulty with the per capita comments on poverty since you appear to get it when it fits your personal agenda.

I can understand why you don't want it to be true, but it is sorry to disappoint.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

I guess by the same standard the white kid in this would be yours?

Whose standard?
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

If you don't know how statistics works that isn't my problem to explain it to you twice. I'm sorry you have having difficulty with the per capita comments on poverty since you appear to get it when it fits your personal agenda.

I can understand why you don't want it to be true, but it is sorry to disappoint.

LMAO..the FBI statistics are right there in black and white (no pun intended) You refuse to address them. Feign superior intelligence all you like.
The fact remains that negroes commit OVER HALF of ALL violent crime in this nation despite only making up 13% of the population. Twist, turn, spin..do all the mental and "logical" gymnastics you like.

As you cannot keep pace with the debate, perhaps you should excuse yourself from it. I appreciate any input you may have, but I refuse to get tangled up in your circular arguments and I'm going to avoid redundant, mundane repetition.

I am not going to argue with somebody who has no logical point to make, and doesn't stand for anything other than the sake of argument.

I have already demonstrated the facts to you pages ago and listed MANY valid, proven sources and provided LINKS including the FBI statistics..and the FBI isn't lying and they aren't interested in equivocating and rationalizing.

If you did not understand then, go back and re-read, and if you still do not understand, then you do not possess the necessary intellect to post here and should go elsewhere, good day sir.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

Wait..if poverty causes crime, as you say...and there are more whites in america as we know...logically there are more poor whites...yet white crime rates don't begin to approach those of blacks...you can't have it both ways.. Stop making excuses..
It's just a simple, proven fact that negroes commit a disproportionate amount of crime despite only being 13% of the population.

I understand and you've made it clear that you don't LIKE the truth. Nevertheless it is the truth.

Just before this post, you took a bunch of white suburbs and said they were safer compared to black inner cities. The income is also much much higher. Then you say poverty doesn't create crime, being black does. You even put the income figures, and apparently failed to notice that in most cases, the median income in the safer, whiter cities is almost twice that of the less safe, blacker cities.

You contradicted yourself, and are now going to claim that you're not prejudiced against black people. You just think they're genetically predisposed to crime. Compare crime rates of poorer whites with those of poorer blacks, or that of middle class blacks with middle class whites, and you'll have a fair comparison.
 
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Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

On our local news here in Spokane they have interviewed a number of family members and friends of the deceased vet and the guy was truly a very well liked individual by everyone who met him.

Finding the other suspect is the number goal here for law enforcement and citizens. The missing suspect attended the same high school as my kids so he lives in my district. I predict he will be found by Sunday night.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

Just before this post, you took a bunch of white suburbs and said they were safer compared to black inner cities.
I never said any such thing or compared inner cities with suburbs or made any distinctions...you made that up. I posted the list. The list is accurate.

The income is also much much higher.
So? Rich people commit crimes, too..What's your point?

Then you say poverty doesn't create crime, being black does.

I never said anything of the sort. If you can post a quote from me where I said "Poverty doesn't create crime being black does", I'll leave this site..If no such quote exists, YOU leave...Want to take that challenge or are you just exaggerating? Which is it?

You even put the income figures, and apparently failed to notice that in most cases, the median income in the safer, whiter cities is almost twice that of the less safe, blacker cities.

I didn't "fail to notice" anything. I know exactly what I posted..at least you acknowledge what the rest of the country already knows...that black majority cities are less safe.

You contradicted yourself
No I didn't you're grabbing at straws.,

and are now going to claim that you're not prejudiced against black people.
I'm aware that negroes commit a disproportionate amount of crime despite only making up 13% of the population. That isn't "prejudice"..Facts aren't "prejudiced"

You just think they're genetically predisposed to crime.
How do you know what I "think"?
 
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Yes, I'm 1 proud Conservative.

Be sure to specifically address the content of my post next time instead of pointing out the obvious and wasting bandwidth.

Pass. I try not to concern myself with the content when it's such a textbook example of hyperbole. But when you start paying for the site, get back to me. Until then, wasted bandwidth shouldn't be a concern of yours (unless you are trying to find a way to pin it on Obama :lol: )
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

LMAO..the FBI statistics are right there in black and white (no pun intended) You refuse to address them. Feign superior intelligence all you like.
The fact remains that negroes commit OVER HALF of ALL violent crime in this nation despite only making up 13% of the population. Twist, turn, spin..do all the mental and "logical" gymnastics you like.

As you cannot keep pace with the debate, perhaps you should excuse yourself from it. I appreciate any input you may have, but I refuse to get tangled up in your circular arguments and I'm going to avoid redundant, mundane repetition.

I am not going to argue with somebody who has no logical point to make, and doesn't stand for anything other than the sake of argument.

I have already demonstrated the facts to you pages ago and listed MANY valid, proven sources and provided LINKS including the FBI statistics..and the FBI isn't lying and they aren't interested in equivocating and rationalizing.

If you did not understand then, go back and re-read, and if you still do not understand, then you do not possess the necessary intellect to post here and should go elsewhere, good day sir.

You are one disgusting, racist person. People like you are the reason stereotypes exist that make it very dangerous for young black men to simply be out in public. Here's a hint...maybe our racist system accounts for the disparities? You know police are more likely to watch young black men more carefully right? I cannot believe that in 2013 people like you are still around.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

You are one disgusting, racist person. People like you are the reason stereotypes exist that make it very dangerous for young black men to simply be out in public. Here's a hint...maybe our racist system accounts for the disparities? You know police are more likely to watch young black men more carefully right? I cannot believe that in 2013 people like you are still around.

Define Irony: AtlantaAdonis calling someone a racist. :lol: :lol:
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

LMAO..the FBI statistics are right there in black and white (no pun intended) You refuse to address them. Feign superior intelligence all you like.
The fact remains that negroes commit OVER HALF of ALL violent crime in this nation despite only making up 13% of the population. Twist, turn, spin..do all the mental and "logical" gymnastics you like.

As you cannot keep pace with the debate, perhaps you should excuse yourself from it. I appreciate any input you may have, but I refuse to get tangled up in your circular arguments and I'm going to avoid redundant, mundane repetition.

I am not going to argue with somebody who has no logical point to make, and doesn't stand for anything other than the sake of argument.

I have already demonstrated the facts to you pages ago and listed MANY valid, proven sources and provided LINKS including the FBI statistics..and the FBI isn't lying and they aren't interested in equivocating and rationalizing.

If you did not understand then, go back and re-read, and if you still do not understand, then you do not possess the necessary intellect to post here and should go elsewhere, good day sir.
They commit a bit under half actually(40%) however I wouldn't expect truth with your statements much.

See here is the thing, I showed you why you'll have more crime right among the blacks, and latinos( I should add them as well as they are also mostly poor) due to their poverty. Which again I've proven as well that there are twice or more as many poor blacks/latinos as there are poor whites. Which is why you have the higher crime rates among the poor.

Now I know this doesn't fit your world view and that's alright but at least have the personal integrity to admit that you are just being biased when it comes to statistics concerning poverty rates. I'm not sure why you choose to continue to ignore such obvious information but it is a bit discerning.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

They commit a bit under half actually(40%) however I wouldn't expect truth with your statements much.

See here is the thing, I showed you why you'll have more crime right among the blacks, and latinos( I should add them as well as they are also mostly poor) due to their poverty. Which again I've proven as well that there are twice or more as many poor blacks/latinos as there are poor whites. Which is why you have the higher crime rates among the poor.

Now I know this doesn't fit your world view and that's alright but at least have the personal integrity to admit that you are just being biased when it comes to statistics concerning poverty rates. I'm not sure why you choose to continue to ignore such obvious information but it is a bit discerning.


40% of violent crime, from only 13% of the population, is still pretty alarming even if they suffer twice as much poverty. One would think if it were simply the poverty, then double the poverty would mean double the rate... 26%, not 40%.

Personally I think the glorification of thug culture has had a lot to do with it, along with an all-too-common disdain for education and conventional success as "being an Oreo." Heard that phrase a lot in certain neighborhoods.

In short I think it is a cultural problem more than a "racial"/genetic one.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

40% of violent crime, from only 13% of the population, is still pretty alarming even if they suffer twice as much poverty. One would think if it were simply the poverty, then double the poverty would mean double the rate... 26%, not 40%.

Personally I think the glorification of thug culture has had a lot to do with it, along with an all-too-common disdain for education and conventional success as "being an Oreo." Heard that phrase a lot in certain neighborhoods.

In short I think it is a cultural problem more than a "racial"/genetic one.

Which is exactly why it is mostly poverty based. The glorification of "thug" life combined with having less financial well being could easily count for why the crime rate is so high. There are some more reasons behind it of course, but poverty is the number one reason people commit crimes. When you get so desperate for things, the law doesn't mean a lot.

Thug life talks about going from nothing to something or "hanging with friends" etc.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

You are one disgusting, racist person.

So since you know good and well that you can't dispute FBI statistics, you resort to ad hom atacks and name calling. Great tactic. How original. No one expected that.... LMAO


People like you are the reason stereotypes exist that make it very dangerous for young black men to simply be out in public.

People like me? What kind of person am I and how do I make it "dangerous for young black men to be out in public"?


Here's a hint...maybe our racist system accounts for the disparities?
So the FBI is "racist"?


You know police are more likely to watch young black men more carefully right?
Gee..why is that?.."racism" I suppose, right? LMAO...

I cannot believe that in 2013 people like you are still around.

People like me?
What kind of person am I?
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

Just before this post, you took a bunch of white suburbs and said they were safer compared to black inner cities. The income is also much much higher. Then you say poverty doesn't create crime, being black does. You even put the income figures, and apparently failed to notice that in most cases, the median income in the safer, whiter cities is almost twice that of the less safe, blacker cities.

You contradicted yourself, and are now going to claim that you're not prejudiced against black people. You just think they're genetically predisposed to crime. Compare crime rates of poorer whites with those of poorer blacks, or that of middle class blacks with middle class whites, and you'll have a fair comparison.

If crime was the result of poverty then poor countries would be the most dangerous places in the world. I once stumbled across a small town in Guatemala where people lived in what can best be described as 'mud igloos' painted pink on the outside with the help of some local berries. A big fuss was made over my arrival and I never for a moment felt unsafe.

The USA is one of the wealthiest countries in the world and there are opportunities everywhere, though it seems that many are unable to see them. There is no reason to murder other people because of poverty, not with the amount of food stamps now being handed out to anyone who wants them. The difference between the White suburbs and the Black inner cities is education, and that's where the governments failures have been most evident.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

40% of violent crime, from only 13% of the population, is still pretty alarming even if they suffer twice as much poverty. One would think if it were simply the poverty, then double the poverty would mean double the rate... 26%, not 40%.

Personally I think the glorification of thug culture has had a lot to do with it, along with an all-too-common disdain for education and conventional success as "being an Oreo." Heard that phrase a lot in certain neighborhoods.

In short I think it is a cultural problem more than a "racial"/genetic one.

Making up unsubstantiated, random "statistics" doesn't win the day.
Go back to post #169 and debunk those numbers point by point with links and sources.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

40% of violent crime, from only 13% of the population, is still pretty alarming even if they suffer twice as much poverty. One would think if it were simply the poverty, then double the poverty would mean double the rate... 26%, not 40%.

Personally I think the glorification of thug culture has had a lot to do with it, along with an all-too-common disdain for education and conventional success as "being an Oreo." Heard that phrase a lot in certain neighborhoods.

In short I think it is a cultural problem more than a "racial"/genetic one.

Spot on. The problem is cultural, and not based on skin color. After all, we are all the same color inside. Unfortunately, when and if we ever get around to addressing the problem you can bet your bottom dollar that the race pimps will be yelling "racism!"
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

Which is exactly why it is mostly poverty based. The glorification of "thug" life combined with having less financial well being could easily count for why the crime rate is so high. There are some more reasons behind it of course, but poverty is the number one reason people commit crimes. When you get so desperate for things, the law doesn't mean a lot.

Thug life talks about going from nothing to something or "hanging with friends" etc.


Yes. Part of the problem, though, is that it is a self-perpetuating cycle. You have a younger generation growing up with disdain for education and hard work, typically lacking any positive male role models (or ANY male role model that stays around more than a year), and hearing that the thug life is the only way to make it, we get more of the same and limited improvement in the condition of the black community. Those who break out of that mold and get ahead by lawful means seem regrettably to be the exceptions and a small minority.

We've been throwing money at the problem for a long time... inner city revitalization projects, sports complexes, swimming pools, youth centers... college funds and grants and special loans and so on... and yet the degree of improvement, the quantity of black folks who have lifted themselves out of poverty through legal success, does seem to be increasing but not nearly as much as it should.... far too many are still being left behind in the poverty and hopelessness of a no-way-out culture thoroughly saturated with criminality.

The question is why, and what do we do about it? At this point I'm pretty much convinced that the answer has to be internal; it has to come from within the black community itself, and it has to be a CULTURAL revitalization, where instead of saying "I can't succeed, everybody says the white man is gonna keep me down, so I might as well go thug" we have young blacks saying "I WILL succeed; I will take advantage of every program that can help me to succeed, and I will work harder than anyone until I DO succeed".

This is something that can't be imposed from outside, or simply accomplished by throwing money at the problem; it is gonna have to come from within.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

After all, we are all the same color inside.

Well, all due respect, but we're the same color on the inside as dogs, cows, pigs, fish, chickens, frogs, too....that isn't really relevant as to why negro crime levels are disproportionately higher than white.

Unfortunately, when and if we ever get around to addressing the problem you can bet your bottom dollar that the race pimps will be yelling "racism!"

If this nation could last 500 more years..and it won't...negroes would still be using "racism" and "slavery" as an excuse to blame white people for their own inabilities and shortcomings.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

Making up unsubstantiated, random "statistics" doesn't win the day.
Go back to post #169 and debunk those numbers point by point with links and sources.


I think you misunderstood me.

I was not attempting to refute the FBI stats you sourced; I've seen them before and I am not disputing that they are reasonably accurate.

I was saying poverty doesn't explain how much higher the black crime rate was in and of itself, and that I thought the additional factor was cultural, primarily the glorification of thug life and the disdain of many for education and conventional success.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

They commit a bit under half actually(40%) however I wouldn't expect truth with your statements much.

See here is the thing, I showed you why you'll have more crime right among the blacks, and latinos( I should add them as well as they are also mostly poor) due to their poverty. Which again I've proven as well that there are twice or more as many poor blacks/latinos as there are poor whites. Which is why you have the higher crime rates among the poor.

Now I know this doesn't fit your world view and that's alright but at least have the personal integrity to admit that you are just being biased when it comes to statistics concerning poverty rates. I'm not sure why you choose to continue to ignore such obvious information but it is a bit discerning.

Are you kidding me? I will use the highest historic rates of U.S. poverty (2010) - even though they are lower today. You also assume that nobody, other than the poor, commit crime which is quite a stretch as well.

The poverty rate for whites is 10% and they are 63% of the U.S. population so that is 6.3% of the US popualtion being white and poor.

The poverty rate for blacks is 27% and they are 13% of the U.S. population so that is 3.5% of the U.S. population being black and poor.

The poverty rate for hispanics is 26% and they are 15% of the U.S. population so that is 3.9% of the U.S. population being hispanic and poor.

Using simple math and adding the poor black and poor hispanic percentages of the US population yields 7.2%, which is a little higher than 6.3% (poor white percentage of total U.S. population) but not nearly twice as many; which would have to exceed 12.6% of the U.S. population.



Who is poor? | Institute for Research on Poverty | University of Wisconsin–Madison

Race and ethnicity in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

I think you misunderstood me.

I was not attempting to refute the FBI stats you sourced; I've seen them before and I am not disputing that they are reasonably accurate.

I was saying poverty doesn't explain how much higher the black crime rate was in and of itself, and that I thought the additional factor was cultural, primarily the glorification of thug life and the disdain of many for education and conventional success.

But what created that culture?
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

I think you misunderstood me.

I was not attempting to refute the FBI stats you sourced; I've seen them before and I am not disputing that they are reasonably accurate.

I was saying poverty doesn't explain how much higher the black crime rate was in and of itself, and that I thought the additional factor was cultural, primarily the glorification of thug life and the disdain of many for education and conventional success.

I see. I believe I did misunderstand. My apologies. In fact I agree with you.
I also believe the fact that over 70% of black births occur out of wedlock and typically the fathers abandon the mothers...(like obama's father did)...causes emotional harm as well. Not having a strong father around to teach and correct bad behavior allows these kids to grow up with no cultural references other than what they see on tv...and tv is not a reliable source for learning family values.
 
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