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89 Year Old WWII Veteran Beaten and Left for Dead Dies

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Moot said:
Poor ol guy. I'm just kind of at loss for words at such senseless violence. Part of me wants to blame and another wants to understand why anyone would do this.
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I suspect a lot of it had to do with people trying to understand why those who committed this crime did bad things before this.

We went from punishing criminals to rationalizing their behavior then we wonder why it's escalating.
 
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rocket88 said:
So Jesse Jackson needs to yell himself hoarse demanding justice when justice is being done?
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Jessie Jackson and Der Oneder should speak out as loudly against racially motivated violence involving black on white crime as they do white on black or they are race baiting hypocrites. Obama has surfaced twice in his presidency and race incidents and both times been completely and horribly wrong and...oh yeah...both times the 'victims' were blacks that werent exactly 'victims'.
 
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Erod said:
And they didn't even use guns? I didn't even know that was possible.

The core reason for all this violence is crystal clear. Same reason for the daily violence in southside Chicago.

Fathers are nearing extinction in the black community especially, and in society in general. How long until single mothers are at 80 percent of the population?

The true leaders for these kids are rappers, drug dealers, gangsters, and pimps. With Jesse and Al and MSNBC running a grand sideshow diversion all the while.

Until the fatherless issue is resolved, this will continue to escalate to proportions we can't imagine.
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I want to see some evidence of that, since the data studies do not include stepchildren or cohabiting adults.
 
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VanceMack said:
Jessie Jackson and Der Oneder should speak out as loudly against racially motivated violence involving black on white crime as they do white on black or they are race baiting hypocrites. Obama has surfaced twice in his presidency and race incidents and both times been completely and horribly wrong and...oh yeah...both times the 'victims' were blacks that werent exactly 'victims'.
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Jesse Jackson is a race baiting hypocrite. Doesn't matter though.

People are being arrested and charged -- isn't that enough?
 
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rocket88 said:
Jesse Jackson is a race baiting hypocrite. Doesn't matter though.

People are being arrested and charged -- isn't that enough?
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Good lord no. WTF? Seriously?

It needs to stop HAPPENING. There needs to be a unified voice against the crime happening in the first place. Blacks need to take a strong stand against blacks committing violence. Whites need to take a strong stand against whites committing violence, Hispanics...Asians...they need to speak out against violence in their own communities AND EVERYONE needs to take a unified stand against the mindless violence in general.
 
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rocket88 said:
It's not about the race of the victim, it's about if someone is being brought to justice for the crime. When it came to Zimmerman, it took public outcry for the cops to even look at it. For the baseball player, his murderers have been arrested. They've arrested someone for this crime. (Teen suspect arrested in fatal beating of WWII vet, 88)

That's the difference -- IF the perps in these instances hadn't been arrested, you'd have a point. But they have been, justice is being done for the victims.
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If Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are as color blind as you insist then surely you have plenty of examples of their advocating for victims that don't fit the white on black crime mold. Can you start listing them?
 
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Dapper Andy said:
I suspect a lot of it had to do with people trying to understand why those who committed this crime did bad things before this.

We went from punishing criminals to rationalizing their behavior then we wonder why it's escalating.
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When whoever did this heinous crime are caught, I pretty sure they will be punished. But is it escalating? Or are people just becoming more aware because of the media? This probably would have remained local news a few years ago. Now it seems almost everything that happens, instantly becomes national news.
 
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Dapper Andy said:
If Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are as color blind as you insist then surely you have plenty of examples of their advocating for victims that don't fit the white on black crime mold. Can you start listing them?
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If I insisited that Jackson and Sharpton were as color blind as you insist, then surely you have plenty of examples of me saying that. Can you start listing them?
 
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americanwoman said:
The narratives are different because the crimes and the aftermath is different. Had this been one black guy who got caught then released because he said it was self defense do you not think there would be outrage? And yet you are all bringing color into it while blasting the other side for doing the exact same thing. But nobody who is doing that is seeing they are doing the same thing. That's what they don't seem to get.
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All we're doing is illustrating the political hypocrisy typical of the other side. I'm not certain this was racial, we may find out. I hope these boys are made examples of for what they did.
 
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American said:
All we're doing is illustrating the political hypocrisy typical of the other side. I'm not certain this was racial, we may find out. I hope these boys are made examples of for what they did.
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You're just illustrating the hypocrisy on your side by doing that. If this victim was black, would those on the right notice it?
 
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rocket88 said:
You're just illustrating the hypocrisy on your side by doing that. If this victim was black, would those on the right notice it?
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Nope, I think most people got it. The Trayvon Martin case would never have been racial at all, if it weren't for the Left. You need to step up and own that. Lots of people are beaten, murdered or maimed everyday, but only the Left picks out certain ones to serve their agenda. You need to own it, because it's true. If youdon't like that, then do something about it or leave the Democratic Party.
 
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American said:
Nope, I think most people got it. The Trayvon Martin case would never have been racial at all, if it weren't for the Left. You need to step up and own that. Lots of people are beaten, murdered or maimed everyday, but only the Left picks out certain ones to serve their agenda. You need to own it, because it's true. If youdon't like that, then do something about it or leave the Democratic Party.
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I left the Democratic Party years ago.

What most people forget about Z/M is that it started with a "white" guy who didn't get arrested after killing a black teenager. What many were saying, and I agree at that point, is that if Z was black he would have been arrested on the spot and already sent up the river before it even became an issue. This is not an issue in these cases - the alleged perps (who are black) have been arrested right away. The difference as to why these don't get the media attention is that when a crime is committed and someone is arrested, there IS NO CONTROVERSY.

The Zimmerman thing wasn't about that he wasn't black and his victim was. It was about the fact that he was not arrested -- probably because he isn't black.
 
But... but... the assailants were unarmed, like Trayvon Martin. If Belton had disposed of them properly (as you suggest) the race pimps would be up in arms, Obama would run his mouth about an imaginary son, and Holder would turn the DOJ loose again to drum up public discontent and run another phony investigation.
:roll:
 
What are there now, five, six threads going on this story?
 
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American said:
Obviously I was being half-sarcastic, but this is the **** we had to listen to for over a ****ing year on the Martin story. So I think it's only fair that Obama come out on this, right?
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Exactly.

Frankly, any POTUS has no business commenting on stuff like this, period.

I find it painfully obvious that BHO neither commented on this case, nor the shooting of the Australian athlete.

Partisan hackery disgusts me no matter the source.

Total bull****.
 
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rocket88 said:
I left the Democratic Party years ago.

What most people forget about Z/M is that it started with a "white" guy who didn't get arrested after killing a black teenager. What many were saying, and I agree at that point, is that if Z was black he would have been arrested on the spot and already sent up the river before it even became an issue. This is not an issue in these cases - the alleged perps (who are black) have been arrested right away. The difference as to why these don't get the media attention is that when a crime is committed and someone is arrested, there IS NO CONTROVERSY.

The Zimmerman thing wasn't about that he wasn't black and his victim was. It was about the fact that he was not arrested -- probably because he isn't black.
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Couple of things: Zimmerman was half hispanic, half white. That does not make him white, any more or less than it makes him hispanic.
We have a black president, ....who is half white. But he's our Black President. That's for sure. So let the obfuscation begin. Truth is somewhere out there. All we have to do is avoid it at all costs and all will be well.

On the odd chance that you might want to get to some truth, you should have to research the statistics in shootings of self-defense involving various race combinations and see who gets off and who gets arrested right away.
But this of course assumes you actually want truth rather than a furthering of a racist agenda being worked for all it's worth.
 
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Moot said:
Poor ol guy. I'm just kind of at loss for words at such senseless violence. Part of me wants to blame and another wants to understand why anyone would do this.
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People do this because they're scumbags.
 
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rocket88 said:
I left the Democratic Party years ago.

What most people forget about Z/M is that it started with a "white" guy who didn't get arrested after killing a black teenager. What many were saying, and I agree at that point, is that if Z was black he would have been arrested on the spot and already sent up the river before it even became an issue. This is not an issue in these cases - the alleged perps (who are black) have been arrested right away. The difference as to why these don't get the media attention is that when a crime is committed and someone is arrested, there IS NO CONTROVERSY.

The Zimmerman thing wasn't about that he wasn't black and his victim was. It was about the fact that he was not arrested -- probably because he isn't black.
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But the debate has everything backwards over who benefits from the law. Poor blacks who live in high crime urban areas are not only the most likely victims of crime, they are also the ones who benefit the most from Stand Your Ground laws. It makes it easier for them to protect themselves when the police can't be there fast enough. Rules that make self-defense more difficult would impact blacks the most.
Blacks may make up just 16.6 percent of Florida's population, but they account for over 31 percent of the state's defendants invoking a Stand Your Ground defense. Black defendants who invoke this statute to justify their actions are acquitted 8 percent more frequently than whites who use that same defense.


Read more: What liberal media won't tell you -- blacks benefit most from Stand Your Ground laws | Fox News
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Next false narrative...
 
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rocket88 said:
You're just illustrating the hypocrisy on your side by doing that. If this victim was black, would those on the right notice it?
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Of course we would.
 
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j-mac said:
Next false narrative...
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Except that you addressed something I didn't say. There's a word for that, if I'm not mistaken.
 
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Cable said:
Couple of things: Zimmerman was half hispanic, half white. That does not make him white, any more or less than it makes him hispanic.
We have a black president, ....who is half white. But he's our Black President. That's for sure. So let the obfuscation begin. Truth is somewhere out there. All we have to do is avoid it at all costs and all will be well..
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That's why I put "white" in quotes. Never accuse the right of reading....
 
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apdst said:
Of course we would.
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You might. Others, I'm not sure about. It depends on if you want to turn it into a race thing or not.
 
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rocket88 said:
Except that you addressed something I didn't say. There's a word for that, if I'm not mistaken.
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I just recently today got done addressing this type of thing with another poster, where I went back and posted his exact phrase to show him what he said, and he still denied that he said it...I am not playing that game...You say you didn't say that, what ever....Doesn't matter, because this isn't about TM/GZ.
 
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rocket88 said:
That's why I put "white" in quotes. Never accuse the right of reading....
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"The Zimmerman thing wasn't about that he wasn't black and his victim was. It was about the fact that he was not arrested -- probably because he isn't black."
 
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Peter King said:
I 100% agree with you that it is tracking and totally sickening.

And we know very little about crime in the USSR, but what we do know is that there was a lot of police/secret police on the streets. Since the USSR has gone the way of the dinosaur, crime in Russia is even worse than in the USA.

I think it is more a societal issue, the whole violence/drugs/gangs/poverty/hopelessness problem. Also the lack of social and police control will have aggravated this problem.
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It's a culture problem. The subculture that exists in the black community along with people making stupid excuses and apologies for this behavior.
 
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