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89 Year Old WWII Veteran Beaten and Left for Dead Dies

Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

rocket88 said:
I don't understand why all the "non-racists" on either side have to turn these things into issues of race. Can't we just say a bunch of stupid criminals committed a crime and deserve to be punished?
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I dont recall you taking this position when it was Zimmerman/Martin and the race baiting ass clowns all came to town. Funny how that works...
 
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rocket88 said:
I don't understand why all the "non-racists" on either side have to turn these things into issues of race. Can't we just say a bunch of stupid criminals committed a crime and deserve to be punished?
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Can't we just say George Zimmerman was aquited and his case of self defense had nothing to do with race?
 
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SgtRock said:
Can't we just say George Zimmerman was aquited and his case of self defense had nothing to do with race?
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It didn't have anything to do with race and neither does this. Yet everyone is blasting others for making that one about race but want them to continue to do so and keep the race issue going by commenting on every crime how race played into it. So do you want it about race or not?
 
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SgtRock said:
Can't we just say George Zimmerman was aquited and his case of self defense had nothing to do with race?
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I'm of the opinion that he should have been acquitted, so....but my problem with Z was not racial, it was that he could have avoided the situation and didn't.

It's fun to get everybody to paste strawmen on me. The usual suspects, too....so predictable.
 
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americanwoman said:
The narratives are different because the crimes and the aftermath is different.
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I agree, one ended with a dead black teen, and the other ended with a dead white WWII vet...If you ask me the latter is the more cowardly crime...

Had this been one black guy who got caught then released because he said it was self defense do you not think there would be outrage?
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There is rightly outrage now...deal with it.

And yet you are all bringing color into it while blasting the other side for doing the exact same thing.
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Really? What white supremacist group put a price tag on the assailants heads "dead or alive"?

But nobody who is doing that is seeing they are doing the same thing. That's what they don't seem to get.
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That's because they're not doing the same things as what happened over TM...Hell, to read your postings on the subject, you seem to think that this story is barely news worthy at all....:shrug:
 
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VanceMack said:
I dont recall you taking this position when it was Zimmerman/Martin and the race baiting ass clowns all came to town. Funny how that works...
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I don't recall you saying that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton needed to get involved then.....

See how funny things work?
 
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VanceMack said:
I dont recall you taking this position when it was Zimmerman/Martin and the race baiting ass clowns all came to town. Funny how that works...
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americanwoman said:
It didn't have anything to do with race and neither does this. Yet everyone is blasting others for making that one about race but want them to continue to do so and keep the race issue going by commenting on every crime how race played into it. So do you want it about race or not?
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Tell Reverand Al, Jesse Jackson, the NAACP, the Martin family,and all the people in the streets that the Zimmerman Martin case had nothing to do with race.
 
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j-mac said:
I agree, one ended with a dead black teen, and the other ended with a dead white WWII vet...If you ask me the latter is the more cowardly crime...



There is rightly outrage now...deal with it.



Really? What white supremacist group put a price tag on the assailants heads "dead or alive"?



That's because they're not doing the same things as what happened over TM...Hell, to read your postings on the subject, you seem to think that this story is barely news worthy at all....:shrug:
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Funny you don't mention my first post on this crime that called it cowardly. All I am saying now it's hard to compare apples to oranges and we should not bring up race and other cases and focus on this one. Must be newsworthy to you so you can keep the race issue alive.
 
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SgtRock said:
Tell Reverand Al, Jesse Jackson, the NAACP, the Martin family,and all the people in the streets that the Zimmerman Martin case had nothing to do with race.
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I would gladly tell them that as I am saying the same thing to let the issue go in this case.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

Welcome to the New America. And yall wonder why so many carry guns.
I guess this old man at least wasnt a coward. Because so many on here call us with CCW permits cowards. But its too bad he was 89 and probably alittle frail.
No doubt if he had fought back with a weapon, he would have been labeled a racist old fool with a gun just waiting to shoot some black kids.
RIP old Vet. Too bad the country you fought so bravely for has turned into a cesspool.
 
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Whether it is a white guy killing a black guy or a black guy killing a white guy, to insist race isn't involved at all is just as myopic as insisting it only works in one direction.

OF COURCE race is involved. It is only the matter of to what degree in the specific cases and the way we respond to it that matters.
 
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americanwoman said:
I would gladly tell them that as I am saying the same thing to let the issue go in this case.
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This case? What about all the other black on white crime? No race componant there either? Even though one of the cowards that shot the ball player the other day had a facebook full of anti white sentiment.
"whites #hate them".
Yea, he was not racist. PFffffffft.
 
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j-mac said:
Good grief peter, at least know what you wrote less than 15 postings ago....



Wrong again.
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I was trying to convey "the man was old enough to be Obama's grandfather". I do not think in black and white. Someone wrote that this gentleman could not be his grandson, so I wrote, no but he could be his grandfather. It was written without the BS of race mixed into it.

Excuse me that I did not immediately drag race into it.

j-mac said:
There was no proof that GZ racially killed TM either, but that didn't stop you and others claiming it was from the start.
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I did not state that the murder was racially motivated. I even wrote that in my previous post. But the getting out of the car was due to the color and appearance of TM and if GZ would have not gotten out and left it to the police TM would almost certainly be alive today and GZ would not have been prosecuted.

j-mac said:
I don't think he knew for a certainty what color TM was at the start of him noticing him as out of place in the neighborhood. He told the 911 operator, "I think he's black...." not "He's black...." So this is just you adding your bias into the case.
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No, it seems I know the facts a bit. Zimmerman said "he looks black". Not, I think he is black, he looks black knowing this very well before he got out of the car and followed him because he also said that TM was looking right at him.

j-mac said:
That's your opinion...Unfortunately for you it means little as it pertains to fact in the case.
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Actually, what you say is my opinion is IMHO pretty close to factual. He got out because he saw a black man who looks suspicious.

j-mac said:
:roll: Tell me Peter, can a black man be a racist?
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Of course a black man can be a racist. In a different thread about the shooting at the FRC I even posted the names of black groups the SPLC identifies a black separatists and even on the page for the new black panther party writes:

The New Black Panther Party is a virulently racist and anti-Semitic organization whose leaders have encouraged violence against whites, Jews and law enforcement officers.
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So yes, blacks can be racists and I have never denied such a thing. But, in this case there is as of yet (and that can change) that this crime was down to the race issues.
 
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rocket88 said:
I don't recall you saying that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton needed to get involved then.....

See how funny things work?
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Relevant fact...they DID then...they arent now. THEY are the hypocrites. Well...not JUST them...
 
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SgtRock said:
Tell Reverand Al, Jesse Jackson, the NAACP, the Martin family,and all the people in the streets that the Zimmerman Martin case had nothing to do with race.
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Hell...tell that to the people on this site that insisted race mattered. Then.
 
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VanceMack said:
Relevant fact...they DID then...they arent now. THEY are the hypocrites. Well...not JUST them...
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So do you think they set themselves a precedent that they should get involved now with all cases that are similar?
 
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americanwoman said:
So do you think they set themselves a precedent that they should get involved now with all cases that are similar?
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EVERY case? I dont know. But there should at LEAST be some balance. If you present yourself to be a civil rights advocate and expect to have any credibility then you should engage when it is INCONVENIENT as well as convenient. When it is black on white, not just white on black.

And lets be honest...that extends to the advocates of gay rights issues as well. When a gay person is beaten by a white then it is a 'cause'. WHen a gay man is beaten by a gang of blacks in Atlanta for the crime of being gay...nothing. When the first openly gay mayoral candidate was murdered it was TRAGIC! Why...its horrible! It was Mississippi burning all over again! Outrageo....oh...wait...he was killed by a black guy...huh...nothing to see here folks...time to move on...

You either care or you dont. If you ONLY care when it supports your cause...you dont care at all.
 
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Superfly said:
You know, so many bad things happen, every day, that make me shake my head, and worry about the state of the world. But I have become desensitized to a lot, because it's just so common now, to hear bad news. This story, though - broke my heart. This guy survived World War II, only to be beaten to death in the parking lot, while waiting to escort a friend so she wouldn't have to walk alone. :(
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Its always heartbreaking to me to hear when courageous Americans put this nation's uniform, survive military combat defending this country then come home to be murdered by an American.
 
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SixStringHero said:
The more and more this crap happens the more inclined I am in favor of implementing the Soviet Method on reprehensible filth such as this.
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I don't know what the "Soviet Method" is.

Personally I'd prefer to see the "method" of punishment used with Bernhard Krechting, Bernhard Knipperdolling, and Jan van Leiden for their roles in leading the Anabaptist rebellion in Münster, Germany in 1536.
 
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And they didn't even use guns? I didn't even know that was possible.

The core reason for all this violence is crystal clear. Same reason for the daily violence in southside Chicago.

Fathers are nearing extinction in the black community especially, and in society in general. How long until single mothers are at 80 percent of the population?

The true leaders for these kids are rappers, drug dealers, gangsters, and pimps. With Jesse and Al and MSNBC running a grand sideshow diversion all the while.

Until the fatherless issue is resolved, this will continue to escalate to proportions we can't imagine.
 
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Peter King said:
In the Trayvon case there was a racial element to the case. Trayvon was not shot because of his race but his shooter did get out of his car because of Travyon's color and appearance.
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j-mac said:
GZ was acquitted, and no charges of a racial crime were brought. You are simply wrong on this.
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Moderator's Warning:
While there may be some similarities to Zimmerman/Martin, discussion in this thread must be in relation to and contain references to the OP. Rehashing the Z/M case will be considered derailing and open to moderation. So please return to the topic.
 
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VanceMack said:
EVERY case? I dont know. But there should at LEAST be some balance. If you present yourself to be a civil rights advocate and expect to have any credibility then you should engage when it is INCONVENIENT as well as convenient. When it is black on white, not just white on black.
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It's not about the race of the victim, it's about if someone is being brought to justice for the crime. When it came to Zimmerman, it took public outcry for the cops to even look at it. For the baseball player, his murderers have been arrested. They've arrested someone for this crime. (Teen suspect arrested in fatal beating of WWII vet, 88)

That's the difference -- IF the perps in these instances hadn't been arrested, you'd have a point. But they have been, justice is being done for the victims.
 
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rocket88 said:
It's not about the race of the victim, it's about if someone is being brought to justice for the crime. When it came to Zimmerman, it took public outcry for the cops to even look at it. For the baseball player, his murderers have been arrested. They've arrested someone for this crime. (Teen suspect arrested in fatal beating of WWII vet, 88)

That's the difference -- IF the perps in these instances hadn't been arrested, you'd have a point. But they have been, justice is being done for the victims.
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Horse**** and I dont believe for even a second you buy that it isnt about race...but I'll let it go. Gina has spoken.
 
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VanceMack said:
Horse**** and I dont believe for even a second you buy that it isnt about race...but I'll let it go. Gina has spoken.
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So Jesse Jackson needs to yell himself hoarse demanding justice when justice is being done?
 
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