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    Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    Address the point and debunk it if you can.

    the most dangerous cities in America have the most minorities. The safest have the fewest minorities.
    mistaking correlation for causation. common mistake...

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    Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    mistaking correlation for causation. common mistake...
    So in other words you know it's true, don't like it and are trying to hide behind a cliche to discredit the fact.

    Save your cliche's. It doesn't debunk the premise anyway.

    The most dangerous cities in America have the most minorities. The safest have the fewest minorities.
    Prove it wrong.

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    Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    So in other words you know it's true, don't like it and are trying to hide behind a cliche to discredit the fact.

    Save your cliche's. It doesn't debunk the premise anyway.

    The most dangerous cities in America have the most minorities. The safest have the fewest minorities.
    Prove it wrong.
    Ahhh ye olde cliche defense. Instead dealing with the facts that you are mistaking correlation for causation you just dismiss it as a cliche. OK so lets look at your premise. Here are the top 15 US cities by population.

    New York - 51.2% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
    Los Angeles - 68.5% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
    Chicago - 45.1% minority 79th on the 100 most dangerous cities in US for per capita violent crime
    Houston - 60.5% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
    Philadelphia - 45.1% minority 50th on the 100 most dangerous cities in the US for per capita violent crime
    Phoenix - 41.4% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
    San Antonio - 64% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
    San Diego - 51.6% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
    Dallas - 49.9% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
    San Jose - 64.9% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
    Austin - 45.5% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
    Jacksonville - 34.5% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
    Indianapolis - 25.5% minority 60th on the top 100 most dangerous cities in the US for per capita violent crime
    San Francisco - 57.6% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
    Columbus - 24.1% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime

    So just to recap of the 15 most populace cities in the US only 3 are on the top 100 list for per capita violent crime rates and all three have majority white populations. When are the white leaders of America going to do something about the crisis in white America????

    Needless to say your premise if false and you are still mistaking correlation for causation.

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    Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    So in other words you know it's true, don't like it and are trying to hide behind a cliche to discredit the fact.

    Save your cliche's. It doesn't debunk the premise anyway.

    The most dangerous cities in America have the most minorities. The safest have the fewest minorities.
    Prove it wrong.
    You haven't proved that there's more crime BECAUSE they're black. You have proved that poorer areas have more crime than richer ones, even though you say that's not your point.


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    No, but he took a class.
    Sure he did.

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    Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    You haven't proved that there's more crime BECAUSE they're black. You have proved that poorer areas have more crime than richer ones, even though you say that's not your point.
    I haven't "proved" it because I never claimed that.

    I DID say that;

    The most dangerous cities in America have the most minorities. The safest have the fewest minorities.

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    Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    Ahhh ye olde cliche defense. Instead dealing with the facts that you are mistaking correlation for causation you just dismiss it as a cliche. OK so lets look at your premise. Here are the top 15 US cities by population.

    New York - 51.2% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
    Los Angeles - 68.5% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
    Chicago - 45.1% minority 79th on the 100 most dangerous cities in US for per capita violent crime
    Houston - 60.5% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
    Philadelphia - 45.1% minority 50th on the 100 most dangerous cities in the US for per capita violent crime
    Phoenix - 41.4% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
    San Antonio - 64% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
    San Diego - 51.6% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
    Dallas - 49.9% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
    San Jose - 64.9% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
    Austin - 45.5% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
    Jacksonville - 34.5% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
    Indianapolis - 25.5% minority 60th on the top 100 most dangerous cities in the US for per capita violent crime
    San Francisco - 57.6% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
    Columbus - 24.1% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime

    So just to recap of the 15 most populace cities in the US only 3 are on the top 100 list for per capita violent crime rates and all three have majority white populations. When are the white leaders of America going to do something about the crisis in white America????

    Needless to say your premise if false and you are still mistaking correlation for causation.

    You're wrong and trying to be evasive.
    My premise is not false and the FBI data proving it is (once again) listed below.


    The FBI doesn't parse data to only suit an agenda (as you are). We are looking at factual raw data with no equivocating.

    Now, if you can debunk those numbers and prove that the FBI is lying, proceed. Stop trying to redefine the topic and move the goal posts to support your argument.

    According to the FBI;



    Top 10 most dangerous cities in America 2013
    1. Camden, New Jersey (Population 77, 344) (17.59% Caucasian, 48.07% African American, 34.34% Other Race) ($27,027)

    2. Detroit, Michigan (Population 713,777) ( 10.6% Caucasian, 82.7% African American, 6.7% Other Race) ($25,787)

    3. Atlanta, Georgia (Population 420,003) ( 38.4% Caucasian, 54% African American, 7.6% Other Race) ($35,453)

    4. St. Louis, Missouri (Population 319,294) ( 43.9% Caucasian, 49.2% African American, 6.9% Other Race) ($29,159)

    5. Gary, Indiana (Population 80,294) ( 11.92% Caucasian, 84.03% African American, 4.05% Other Race) ($27,195)

    6. Washington, DC (Population 617,996) ( 38.5% Caucasian, 50.7% African American, 10.8% Other Race) ($55,755)

    7. Hartford, Connecticut (Population 124,775) ( 18.72% Caucasian, 40.05% African American, 41.23% Other Race) ($20,820)

    8. New Orleans, Louisiana (Population 343,829) ( 33% Caucasian, 60.2% African American, 6.8% Other Race) ($24,929)

    9. Richmond, Virginia (Population 204,214) ( 41.6% Caucasian, 52.3% African American, 6.1% Other Race) ($31,121)

    10. Birmingham, Alabama (Population 212,237) ( 35.07% Caucasian, 62.46% African American, 2.47% Other Race) ($26,735)

    Dishonorable Mention: Chicago, Illinois (Population 2,695,598) (45.0% Caucasian, 32.9% African American, 22.1% Other Race) ($38,625)
    Read more at Top 10 most dangerous cities in America 2013

    Top 10 Safest cities in the US 2013
    1. Newton, Massachusetts (Population 85,146) (79.6% Caucasian, 2.5% African American, 17.9% Other Race) ($112,230)

    2. Brick Township, New Jersey (Population 75,072) ( 93.05% Caucasian, 2% African American, 4.95% Other Race) ($65,129)

    3. Amherst, New York (Population 122,366) ( 83.8% Caucasian, 5.7% African American, 10.5% Other Race) ($55,427)

    4. Mission Viejo, California (Population 93,305) ( 79.8% Caucasian, 1.3% African American, 18.9% Other Race) ($93,330)

    5. Clarkstown, New York (Population 84,187) ( 79.97% Caucasian, 7.87% African American, 12.16% Other Race) ($92,121)

    6. Lake Forest, California (Population 77,264) ( 70.3% Caucasian, 1.7% African American, 28% Other Race) ($86,285)

    7. Thousand Oaks, California (Population 126,683) ( 80.3% Caucasian, 1.3% African American, 18.4% Other Race) ($101,120)

    8. Colonie, New York (Population 81,591) ( 90.55% Caucasian, 3.96% African American, 5.85% Other Race) ($51,817)

    9. Cary, North Carolina (Population 135,234) ( 73.1% Caucasian, 8% African American, 18.9% Other Race) ($83,292)

    10. Toms River, New Jersey (Population 91,239) ( 89.91% Caucasian, 2.7% African American, 7.39% Other Race) ($71,934)

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    Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    You're wrong and trying to be evasive.
    My premise is not false and the FBI data proving it is (once again) listed below.


    The FBI doesn't parse data to only suit an agenda (as you are). We are looking at factual raw data with no equivocating.

    Now, if you can debunk those numbers and prove that the FBI is lying, proceed. Stop trying to redefine the topic and move the goal posts to support your argument.

    According to the FBI;



    Top 10 most dangerous cities in America 2013
    1. Camden, New Jersey (Population 77, 344) (17.59% Caucasian, 48.07% African American, 34.34% Other Race) ($27,027)

    2. Detroit, Michigan (Population 713,777) ( 10.6% Caucasian, 82.7% African American, 6.7% Other Race) ($25,787)

    3. Atlanta, Georgia (Population 420,003) ( 38.4% Caucasian, 54% African American, 7.6% Other Race) ($35,453)

    4. St. Louis, Missouri (Population 319,294) ( 43.9% Caucasian, 49.2% African American, 6.9% Other Race) ($29,159)

    5. Gary, Indiana (Population 80,294) ( 11.92% Caucasian, 84.03% African American, 4.05% Other Race) ($27,195)

    6. Washington, DC (Population 617,996) ( 38.5% Caucasian, 50.7% African American, 10.8% Other Race) ($55,755)

    7. Hartford, Connecticut (Population 124,775) ( 18.72% Caucasian, 40.05% African American, 41.23% Other Race) ($20,820)

    8. New Orleans, Louisiana (Population 343,829) ( 33% Caucasian, 60.2% African American, 6.8% Other Race) ($24,929)

    9. Richmond, Virginia (Population 204,214) ( 41.6% Caucasian, 52.3% African American, 6.1% Other Race) ($31,121)

    10. Birmingham, Alabama (Population 212,237) ( 35.07% Caucasian, 62.46% African American, 2.47% Other Race) ($26,735)

    Dishonorable Mention: Chicago, Illinois (Population 2,695,598) (45.0% Caucasian, 32.9% African American, 22.1% Other Race) ($38,625)
    Read more at Top 10 most dangerous cities in America 2013

    Top 10 Safest cities in the US 2013
    1. Newton, Massachusetts (Population 85,146) (79.6% Caucasian, 2.5% African American, 17.9% Other Race) ($112,230)

    2. Brick Township, New Jersey (Population 75,072) ( 93.05% Caucasian, 2% African American, 4.95% Other Race) ($65,129)

    3. Amherst, New York (Population 122,366) ( 83.8% Caucasian, 5.7% African American, 10.5% Other Race) ($55,427)

    4. Mission Viejo, California (Population 93,305) ( 79.8% Caucasian, 1.3% African American, 18.9% Other Race) ($93,330)

    5. Clarkstown, New York (Population 84,187) ( 79.97% Caucasian, 7.87% African American, 12.16% Other Race) ($92,121)

    6. Lake Forest, California (Population 77,264) ( 70.3% Caucasian, 1.7% African American, 28% Other Race) ($86,285)

    7. Thousand Oaks, California (Population 126,683) ( 80.3% Caucasian, 1.3% African American, 18.4% Other Race) ($101,120)

    8. Colonie, New York (Population 81,591) ( 90.55% Caucasian, 3.96% African American, 5.85% Other Race) ($51,817)

    9. Cary, North Carolina (Population 135,234) ( 73.1% Caucasian, 8% African American, 18.9% Other Race) ($83,292)

    10. Toms River, New Jersey (Population 91,239) ( 89.91% Caucasian, 2.7% African American, 7.39% Other Race) ($71,934)
    Again your premise is faulse. You are mistaking correlation for causation.

    Safest - Newton, MA median income $109.724 Most Dangerous - Camden, NJ median income $26,347
    Brick Township, NJ median income $63,884 Detroit, MI median income $27,862
    Amherst, NY median income $87,881 Atlanta, GA median income $49,736
    Mission Viejo, CA median income $93.305 St. Louis, MO median income $34,402
    Clarkstown, NY median income $56,951 Gary, IN median income $48,393
    Lake Forest, CA median income $94,632 Washington, DC median income $61,835
    Thousand Oaks, CA median income $100,373 Hartford, CT median income $29,107
    Colonie, NY median income $70,389 New Orleans, LA median income $44,086
    Cary, NC median income $91,997 Richmond, VA median income $39,201
    Toms River, NJ median income $73,796 Birmingham, AL median income $42,934

    From the above it would be just as easy for me to state that the most dangerous cities in the US are because they have a median income of less than $50K. The only outlier in that is Washington, DC and if you look into those numbers I am sure the reason the median income is high is due to all the politicians salaries and their hacks are included in that number. That being said I would still be wrong in saying that because that would make the same mistake you are making. I would be mistaking correlation for causation. I can correlate low median income with crime but I cannot prove it is the deciding factor. The same is true with your premise. In fact I think you are a premise in search of facts. You make the facts prove your premise. Your premise is flawed. It is obvious to everyone but those wishing your premise to be true.

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    Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    I haven't "proved" it because I never claimed that.

    I DID say that;

    The most dangerous cities in America have the most minorities. The safest have the fewest minorities.
    So it's not because of income, and it's not because they're minorities....it's magic!


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    Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So it's not because of income, and it's not because they're minorities....it's magic!
    No, it's culture.

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