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    Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

    Quote Originally Posted by AtlantaAdonis View Post
    You are one disgusting, racist person.
    So since you know good and well that you can't dispute FBI statistics, you resort to ad hom atacks and name calling. Great tactic. How original. No one expected that.... LMAO


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    People like you are the reason stereotypes exist that make it very dangerous for young black men to simply be out in public.
    People like me? What kind of person am I and how do I make it "dangerous for young black men to be out in public"?


    Quote Originally Posted by AtlantaAdonis View Post
    Here's a hint...maybe our racist system accounts for the disparities?
    So the FBI is "racist"?


    Quote Originally Posted by AtlantaAdonis View Post
    You know police are more likely to watch young black men more carefully right?
    Gee..why is that?.."racism" I suppose, right? LMAO...

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    I cannot believe that in 2013 people like you are still around.
    People like me?
    What kind of person am I?

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    Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Just before this post, you took a bunch of white suburbs and said they were safer compared to black inner cities. The income is also much much higher. Then you say poverty doesn't create crime, being black does. You even put the income figures, and apparently failed to notice that in most cases, the median income in the safer, whiter cities is almost twice that of the less safe, blacker cities.

    You contradicted yourself, and are now going to claim that you're not prejudiced against black people. You just think they're genetically predisposed to crime. Compare crime rates of poorer whites with those of poorer blacks, or that of middle class blacks with middle class whites, and you'll have a fair comparison.
    If crime was the result of poverty then poor countries would be the most dangerous places in the world. I once stumbled across a small town in Guatemala where people lived in what can best be described as 'mud igloos' painted pink on the outside with the help of some local berries. A big fuss was made over my arrival and I never for a moment felt unsafe.

    The USA is one of the wealthiest countries in the world and there are opportunities everywhere, though it seems that many are unable to see them. There is no reason to murder other people because of poverty, not with the amount of food stamps now being handed out to anyone who wants them. The difference between the White suburbs and the Black inner cities is education, and that's where the governments failures have been most evident.

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    Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    40% of violent crime, from only 13% of the population, is still pretty alarming even if they suffer twice as much poverty. One would think if it were simply the poverty, then double the poverty would mean double the rate... 26%, not 40%.

    Personally I think the glorification of thug culture has had a lot to do with it, along with an all-too-common disdain for education and conventional success as "being an Oreo." Heard that phrase a lot in certain neighborhoods.

    In short I think it is a cultural problem more than a "racial"/genetic one.
    Making up unsubstantiated, random "statistics" doesn't win the day.
    Go back to post #169 and debunk those numbers point by point with links and sources.

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    Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    40% of violent crime, from only 13% of the population, is still pretty alarming even if they suffer twice as much poverty. One would think if it were simply the poverty, then double the poverty would mean double the rate... 26%, not 40%.

    Personally I think the glorification of thug culture has had a lot to do with it, along with an all-too-common disdain for education and conventional success as "being an Oreo." Heard that phrase a lot in certain neighborhoods.

    In short I think it is a cultural problem more than a "racial"/genetic one.
    Spot on. The problem is cultural, and not based on skin color. After all, we are all the same color inside. Unfortunately, when and if we ever get around to addressing the problem you can bet your bottom dollar that the race pimps will be yelling "racism!"
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    Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    Which is exactly why it is mostly poverty based. The glorification of "thug" life combined with having less financial well being could easily count for why the crime rate is so high. There are some more reasons behind it of course, but poverty is the number one reason people commit crimes. When you get so desperate for things, the law doesn't mean a lot.

    Thug life talks about going from nothing to something or "hanging with friends" etc.

    Yes. Part of the problem, though, is that it is a self-perpetuating cycle. You have a younger generation growing up with disdain for education and hard work, typically lacking any positive male role models (or ANY male role model that stays around more than a year), and hearing that the thug life is the only way to make it, we get more of the same and limited improvement in the condition of the black community. Those who break out of that mold and get ahead by lawful means seem regrettably to be the exceptions and a small minority.

    We've been throwing money at the problem for a long time... inner city revitalization projects, sports complexes, swimming pools, youth centers... college funds and grants and special loans and so on... and yet the degree of improvement, the quantity of black folks who have lifted themselves out of poverty through legal success, does seem to be increasing but not nearly as much as it should.... far too many are still being left behind in the poverty and hopelessness of a no-way-out culture thoroughly saturated with criminality.

    The question is why, and what do we do about it? At this point I'm pretty much convinced that the answer has to be internal; it has to come from within the black community itself, and it has to be a CULTURAL revitalization, where instead of saying "I can't succeed, everybody says the white man is gonna keep me down, so I might as well go thug" we have young blacks saying "I WILL succeed; I will take advantage of every program that can help me to succeed, and I will work harder than anyone until I DO succeed".

    This is something that can't be imposed from outside, or simply accomplished by throwing money at the problem; it is gonna have to come from within.

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    Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    After all, we are all the same color inside.
    Well, all due respect, but we're the same color on the inside as dogs, cows, pigs, fish, chickens, frogs, too....that isn't really relevant as to why negro crime levels are disproportionately higher than white.

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    Unfortunately, when and if we ever get around to addressing the problem you can bet your bottom dollar that the race pimps will be yelling "racism!"
    If this nation could last 500 more years..and it won't...negroes would still be using "racism" and "slavery" as an excuse to blame white people for their own inabilities and shortcomings.

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    Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    Making up unsubstantiated, random "statistics" doesn't win the day.
    Go back to post #169 and debunk those numbers point by point with links and sources.

    I think you misunderstood me.

    I was not attempting to refute the FBI stats you sourced; I've seen them before and I am not disputing that they are reasonably accurate.

    I was saying poverty doesn't explain how much higher the black crime rate was in and of itself, and that I thought the additional factor was cultural, primarily the glorification of thug life and the disdain of many for education and conventional success.

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    Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    They commit a bit under half actually(40%) however I wouldn't expect truth with your statements much.

    See here is the thing, I showed you why you'll have more crime right among the blacks, and latinos( I should add them as well as they are also mostly poor) due to their poverty. Which again I've proven as well that there are twice or more as many poor blacks/latinos as there are poor whites. Which is why you have the higher crime rates among the poor.

    Now I know this doesn't fit your world view and that's alright but at least have the personal integrity to admit that you are just being biased when it comes to statistics concerning poverty rates. I'm not sure why you choose to continue to ignore such obvious information but it is a bit discerning.
    Are you kidding me? I will use the highest historic rates of U.S. poverty (2010) - even though they are lower today. You also assume that nobody, other than the poor, commit crime which is quite a stretch as well.

    The poverty rate for whites is 10% and they are 63% of the U.S. population so that is 6.3% of the US popualtion being white and poor.

    The poverty rate for blacks is 27% and they are 13% of the U.S. population so that is 3.5% of the U.S. population being black and poor.

    The poverty rate for hispanics is 26% and they are 15% of the U.S. population so that is 3.9% of the U.S. population being hispanic and poor.

    Using simple math and adding the poor black and poor hispanic percentages of the US population yields 7.2%, which is a little higher than 6.3% (poor white percentage of total U.S. population) but not nearly twice as many; which would have to exceed 12.6% of the U.S. population.



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    Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I think you misunderstood me.

    I was not attempting to refute the FBI stats you sourced; I've seen them before and I am not disputing that they are reasonably accurate.

    I was saying poverty doesn't explain how much higher the black crime rate was in and of itself, and that I thought the additional factor was cultural, primarily the glorification of thug life and the disdain of many for education and conventional success.
    But what created that culture?

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    Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I think you misunderstood me.

    I was not attempting to refute the FBI stats you sourced; I've seen them before and I am not disputing that they are reasonably accurate.

    I was saying poverty doesn't explain how much higher the black crime rate was in and of itself, and that I thought the additional factor was cultural, primarily the glorification of thug life and the disdain of many for education and conventional success.
    I see. I believe I did misunderstand. My apologies. In fact I agree with you.
    I also believe the fact that over 70% of black births occur out of wedlock and typically the fathers abandon the mothers...(like obama's father did)...causes emotional harm as well. Not having a strong father around to teach and correct bad behavior allows these kids to grow up with no cultural references other than what they see on tv...and tv is not a reliable source for learning family values.

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