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    Re: Former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has been released from prison

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    If you're the leader of the country whose people face their destruction, you do what it takes to survive. Leadership is not a mutual suicide pact. There's no nation that, if confronted with the hypothetical extreme situation I provided, would simply choose to submit and perish. No nation would put another's sovereignty and the principle of non-interference ahead of its own survival. None. The idealism that requires such a choice does not exist in any human society. If it did, aggressor nations would exploit it to its limits and the world would be a vastly worse place.
    The problem I have with your scenario as its more like the US is 3rd party and the upstream and downstream countries already agree on a solution but the US doesn't like it and bombs the crap out of the upstream anyway, because that dam would affect us in a strictly non-tangible way.
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    Re: Former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has been released from prison

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Military aid to Egypt is $1.5 billion, not $200 billion. Egypt's Islamic Jihad was apparently responsible for Sadat's assassination, and Mubarek, who was also wounded, was Vice President at the time. Who did Islamic Jihad plan to put into the presidency if not the vice president, and how, exactly, is the fact that the Vice President ascended to the presidency after the assassination "proof" that the USA put him there? Isn't the point of a vice president under Egyptian law to take the office of President in case of the president's death?


    Edit: Never mind, donsutherland is providing all the answers I was seeking. You're still wrong about the annual foreign aid to Egypt, though.
    I was wrong about the amount, we still bribed them.
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    Re: Former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has been released from prison

    He is hardly "free". He is very ill and under house arrest. He aint saving no one in Egypt.
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    Re: Former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has been released from prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    The problem I have with your scenario as its more like the US is 3rd party and the upstream and downstream countries already agree on a solution but the US doesn't like it and bombs the crap out of the upstream anyway, because that dam would affect us in a strictly non-tangible way.
    My scenario was a hypothetical one for illustrative purposes. I wanted to point out that there are limits to how far one can go with respect to principles of non-interference and sovereignty when it comes to practical considerations. Of course, to the extent possible (when a country's critical interests are not threatened), those principles should be respected. That was my point.

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    Re: Former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has been released from prison

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    My scenario was a hypothetical one for illustrative purposes. I wanted to point out that there are limits to how far one can go with respect to principles of non-interference and sovereignty when it comes to practical considerations. Of course, to the extent possible (when a country's critical interests are not threatened), those principles should be respected. That was my point.
    We have yet to do that with the Middle East, that was my point.
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