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    Re: Former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has been released from prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    I disagree, it is not our place to put people in charge of another country. We wouldn't like it if someone did it to us there is no reason to do the same thing to people we wouldn't want to happen.

    There is no evidence that someone would have been worse than Mubarak had the people actually been able to choose, which they were supposed to when Sadat was assassinated.

    Instead we interrupted the democratic process we supposedly support to further our own, highly flawed, agenda in a region we refuse to either understand or accept.
    But when they had the chance to get rid of him they replaced him with an islamist. And this was after 30 years of relative religious tolerance and secularism. After internet connection and mass media in Egypt. It seems only logical that if they had elections 10, 20, 30 years ago, they would have elected another islamist and another war with israel would have started and more destabilization in the region. And instead of a relatively secular dictator, they would have ended up with an islamist in charge. Until the israelis would have dealt with him, and then another, and another.

    I don't know. That's how it seems anyway. I don't support mubarak. I don't think he was good for Egypt. And I don't lament him being thrown out. good on the egyptian people. But they replaced him with someone worse.

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    Re: Former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has been released from prison

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    But when they had the chance to get rid of him they replaced him with an islamist. And this was after 30 years of relative religious tolerance and secularism. After internet connection and mass media in Egypt. It seems only logical that if they had elections 10, 20, 30 years ago, they would have elected another islamist and another war with israel would have started and more destabilization in the region. And instead of a relatively secular dictator, they would have ended up with an islamist in charge. Until the israelis would have dealt with him, and then another, and another.

    I don't know. That's how it seems anyway. I don't support mubarak. I don't think he was good for Egypt. And I don't lament him being thrown out. good on the egyptian people. But they replaced him with someone worse.
    who ?
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    Re: Former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has been released from prison

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    who ?
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    Re: Former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has been released from prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    LoL.

    I bet the Egyptian people are so happy that their lifelong dictator is free. It will certainly be a blast in Tahrir square.
    He's not free. He will be under house arrest.

    BBC News - Egyptian ex-President Hosni Mubarak released from jail

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    Re: Former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has been released from prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    He was not supposed to be President when Sadat was assassinated.
    That's not correct. From CNN:

    April 15, 1975 - Sadat names Mubarak vice president of Egypt.

    1976 -1981 - Mubarak travels extensively as Sadat's emissary. He also assumes control of the day-to-day operations of the government, which frees Sadat to concentrate on foreign policy.

    1978 - Appointed as the Vice Chairman of the National Democratic Party (NDP).


    Hosni Mubarak Fast Facts - CNN.com

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    Re: Former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has been released from prison

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    That's not correct. From CNN:

    April 15, 1975 - Sadat names Mubarak vice president of Egypt.

    1976 -1981 - Mubarak travels extensively as Sadat's emissary. He also assumes control of the day-to-day operations of the government, which frees Sadat to concentrate on foreign policy.

    1978 - Appointed as the Vice Chairman of the National Democratic Party (NDP).


    Hosni Mubarak Fast Facts - CNN.com
    Yes, it is correct, the VP is not supposed to become President after the President dies.

    Go read the actual constitution, we bribed the military/government to name Mubarak President.
    According to Article 84 of the constitution, the speaker of the People's Assembly is first in the order of succession to become acting President of Egypt if the president dies, becomes incapacitated or resigns. If the People's Assembly is dissolved at the time of a vacancy the President of the Supreme Constitutional Court shall take over the Presidential duties. Within 60 days after a vacancy of the post presidential elections should be held.
    The phrase in bold was not done because after being bribed and appointed Mubarak suspended the Constitution, which was unconstitutional but the military wasn't going to complain while receiving 200B+ in "aid"

    Egyptian constitution

    Their constitution is not like ours, don't assume it is.
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    Re: Former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has been released from prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    But when they had the chance to get rid of him they replaced him with an islamist. And this was after 30 years of relative religious tolerance and secularism. After internet connection and mass media in Egypt. It seems only logical that if they had elections 10, 20, 30 years ago, they would have elected another islamist and another war with israel would have started and more destabilization in the region. And instead of a relatively secular dictator, they would have ended up with an islamist in charge. Until the israelis would have dealt with him, and then another, and another.

    I don't know. That's how it seems anyway. I don't support mubarak. I don't think he was good for Egypt. And I don't lament him being thrown out. good on the egyptian people. But they replaced him with someone worse.
    That is purely your opinion, we shouldn't have interfered in the election process in the first place back in 1981. I am highly surprised that people on here are this misinformed as to how the government worked over there prior to our interference.
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    Re: Former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has been released from prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    Yes, it is correct, the VP is not supposed to become President after the President dies.

    Go read the actual constitution, we bribed the military/government to name Mubarak President.


    The phrase in bold was not done because after being bribed and appointed Mubarak suspended the Constitution, which was unconstitutional but the military wasn't going to complain while receiving 200B+ in "aid"

    Egyptian constitution

    Their constitution is not like ours, don't assume it is.
    Sorry, I did not realize you were referring to technical process. The information I provided showed that Mubarak was Sadat's designated successor. He was not suddenly imposed on Egypt by the U.S. or any other outside state.

    In terms of the process, what took place was consistent with Article 84 of Egypt's constitution. What happened was as follows:

    1. Immediately following Sadat's assassination on October 6, 1981, the Speaker assumed temporary Presidential responsibilities.
    2. Parliament then unanimously nominated VP Mubarak as the next President.
    3. An election was held on October 13, a week after Sadat's assassination.

    Some news excerpts (dates refer to the date the articles were written):

    October 6, 1981: "In the temporary government declared tonight by Acting President Sufi Abu Taleb, Speaker of the Egyptian Parliament..." (Source: "Egypt's Acting Leaders," The New York Times, October 7, 1981)

    October 10, 1981: "In the aftermath of the assassination, Government officials moved swiftly to consolidate power under Hosni Mubarak, Vice President since 1975. Parliament nominated him as President without a dissenting vote and quickly scheduled a national referendum Tuesday [October 13] to confirm him." (Source: "Journey's End," The New York Times, October 11, 1981)

    October 14, 1981: "The election of Hosni Mubarak as President of Egypt was placed before the voters... The count will be announced today when Parliament convenes to swear in Mr. Mubarak, who will then address the nation." (Source: "News Summary," The New York Times, October 14, 1981)

    Mubarak's Address: "...The people have said their word, and I am here to lead the caravan along through this heavy responsibility [as President] and burden on the same path he [Sadat] set, and along the same principles." (Source: "Excerpts From Address in Egypt by Mubarak," The New York Times, October 15, 1981)

    In sum, immediately following Sadat's assassination, the Speaker of Parliament took on transitional Presidential duties. Parliament then unanimously nominated Mubarak and scheduled a vote. The vote was held on October 13, one week after the assassination. Mubarak became President in a fully constitutional manner.
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    Re: Former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has been released from prison

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    Re: Former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has been released from prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    That is purely your opinion, we shouldn't have interfered in the election process in the first place back in 1981. I am highly surprised that people on here are this misinformed as to how the government worked over there prior to our interference.
    Educate us then...

    Rainman is spot on in terms of Mubarak bring a progressive when it came to social issues and religious tolerance, as for the West why would we oppose him? The guy brought peace and stability to the region and did whatever we told him to plus he actually worked with Israel. Yes Mubarak was many things but how is Egypt doing now? How is that multi billion tourist industry coping? Don't be surprised to see him put back in power by the people themselves.
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